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*Rumour* 1070 Ti (Videocardz.com)

The 1070 has 1920 shaders vs 2560 shaders on the GTX 1080, a difference of 33%, the 1080 is 20% faster than the 1070.

If the 1070TI gets 2304 shaders it would have 11% less shaders than the 1080, it would be two thirds better the difference of the 1080, so from 20% to about 7% slower than the 1080.

Not happening, it would make the 1080 obsolete.

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The 1070 has 1920 shaders vs 2560 shaders on the GTX 1080, a difference of 33%, the 1080 is 20% faster than the 1070.

If the 1070TI gets 2304 shaders it would have 11% less shaders than the 1080, it would be two thirds better the difference of the 1080, so from 20% to about 7% slower than the 1080.

Not happening, it would make the 1080 obsolete.

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I would agree with you, it does seem pointless.

One thing though, NVidia Don't like to lose and the Vega 56 is just piping the 1070 in the benches.

Personally if I was NVidia I would just lower the price of the 1070 and 1080 to combat things, but as above NVidia don't like to lose, so they wont.
 
I would agree with you, it does seem pointless.

One thing though, NVidia Don't like to lose and the Vega 56 is just piping the 1070 in the benches.

Personally if I was NVidia I would just lower the price of the 1070 and 1080 to combat things, but as above NVidia don't like to lose, so they wont.

Yeah the 1070 is a really good card, i like it, a lot, its just a bit pricy, all nVidia need to do is lower the price by £40/£50 and AMD are utterly squeezed out, if that's nVidia's game.
 
A half decent 1080 starts at £500, no one will buy a 1080 @ £500 when a 1070TI @ 93% of a 1080 costs 20% (£100) less.

There is a £200 difference between the 6GB GTX 1060 and the 1070, the 1070 can come down a bit. sticking a TI on the end of it brings it too close to the 1080, it will cannibalise it.
 
You can get a custom cooled overclocked 1070 cheaper than the 56, so the 56 isn't the reason for the Ti :p

Vega 56 is definitely the reason for the 1070ti and reading what Guru3d said in there conclusion is why.

Oh yes, I'll state it again. Personally I do appreciate Vega 56 better compared to the 64. Vega 56 offers and is a better proposition at 399 USD. That money just feels right for what you get. It's more or less 10% slower than the 64 (air-cooled model) yet 20% cheaper. Meanwhile the 56 passes the GeForce GTX 1070 and really is not that far off the GeForce GTX 1080. I can see the AIB partner board being clocked a notch higher, gaining in that remaining 10% difference. But sure, even in this default reference configuration there's a lot to say for Vega 56. Vega 56 will be more than sufficient enough for a wide scope of monitor resolutions and heavy games. It is a bit of a workhorse and really, not much away from it's bigger brother. And let's face it, the nice 8 GB graphics memory certainly is enough for toady's games and onces in the future as that is a proper framebuffer. The advantages in-between GDDR5X and HBM2 I'll leave for what it is, I do feel that Vega with GDDR5X would have been a lovely solution and if AMD had diverted to a Plan B product, they probably could have had Vega in stores by Christmas last year. Who knows, it is what it is though. Connect your Vega 56 towards a nice FreeSync monitor and you'll have a really nice gaming experience even in the highest resolutions. Much like the 64, the 56 model air-cooled reference products will not be silent, in fact even the RX 56 exhibits a fairly moderately audible airflow that you will hear continuously while gaming. The good news here is that it is not at an annoying sound or sound-level, but yeah it's not at all silent. We also heard a fair bit of coil-noise in high-fps games, again nothing too worrying in a closed chassis. Cooling wise we hope to see AIB partners offer solutions with much improved coolers, cooling levels and also noise levels as there is a lot to be gained there over the reference design. Gaming wise you are rock solid though. Nicely rendered game-play is what you get back in return whilst you enable the most intensive image quality settings. And isn't that what it is all about with PC gaming? Overall we can recommend the Radeon RX Vega 64, but I would recommend the Vega 56 over the 64. It just seems to make more sense. I can only hope that AIB partners and the mining craze will not artificially inflate the prices as really, both 56 and 64 air-cooled cannot be any more expensive relative towards their game performance levels. For PC gaming I can certainly recommend Radeon RX Vega 56. It is a proper and good performance level that it offers, priced right. And also I really want to factor this into your purchasing decision, the Radeon Crimson software suite has advanced so much with much better support and stability fixes compared to say two years ago. I highly applaud that fact alone. Recommended you guys. I do however will place a last side-note here, if you are all about silent graphics card then you will be better off, and wait a bit more until we have tested some board partner cards, with custom coolers.

The current 1070 won't be fast enough overclocked or not when Vega 56 gets a good cooler with most likely way higher clocks. Supposedly with a bios flash these can be overclocked way further and are around 2% slower clock for clock compared to the 64.
 
I'm sure Guru3D are being kind, Vega just isn't good enough ./ IMO

Yes coin diggers buy them, they are also excellent workstation cards, very very powerful, more powerfull than nVidia's equivalents.

But for gaming?, inefficient and nothing like fast enough consistently.
 
I'm sure Guru3D are being kind, Vega just isn't good enough ./ IMO

Yes coin diggers buy them, they are also excellent workstation cards, very very powerful, more powerfull than nVidia's equivalents.

But for gaming?, inefficient and nothing like fast enough consistently.

They are not being kind to Vega 64 but at £390 it's faster and as cheap comparing to the gtx1070. It can go to places where the 1070 can't follow. Basically it's faster and a similar price. It's power consumption ain't great but take that away and it has the 1070 beat. Nvidia know this hence the 1070ti.

How much will a custom cooled overclocked 56 be though, if the reference 56 is already dearer than a custom cooled overclocked 1070 ?

It's not though. £389 pre order for Vega 56 and similar for gtx1070. A decent gtx1070 costs a good bit more. Vega 56 has the 1070 beaten especially for those that know what they are doing when it comes to overclocking. Nvidia know this and will be putting it right come the 1070ti.
 
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They are not being kind to Vega 64 but at £390 it's faster and as cheap comparing to the gtx1070. It can go to places where the 1070 can't follow. Basically it's faster and a similar price. It's power consumption ain't great but take that away and it has the 1070 beat. Nvidia know this hence the 1070ti.

Its 5% faster and Vega is on a hot and noisy blower cooler while you can get 1070's with proper coolers on them for about the same price actually.

I have a Free-Sync screen, today i would buy a GTX 1070 over a Vega 56. and yes it narks me to say that.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_56/31.html
 
It still doesn't change the fact that overall Vega 56 is a more powerful chip.

Repeat from my words of wisdom and prediction way before Vega Launched, that every pro amd fan ignores
'' It has a much bigger die, more expensive process to manufacture, and very thin margins of profit to cater for desktop only, in comparison to a Gp104 that is smaller, cheaper to manufacture and has catered for both mobile and desktop gpu's
with inflated pricepoints in both these sectors. Sure any Money to Amd is better than nothing, but it won't change their R&D or magically improve their architecture. Vega just can't compete for long term.
 
Thats the really depressing thing, you do get the sense AMD are already making no money on these and they are still too expensive for what they are.

They ain't going to get any R&D out of them to change that in the future, they havent done for some years which is probably why we now are at an impasse where AMD just cannot compete at all with Gaming GPU's.

I think its over..... :(
 
Arguments about making other cards obsolete and is the reason why they wouldnt do it is based on what? They released titan x, titan xp and 1080ti so close to each other why do people forget this?
 
The Pascal series enjoy high margins and is now a mature GPU. It has already gone through a minor cost reduction but I think Nvidia wont hesitate to tweak the lineup now to put the squeeze on AMD. NVidia could lower prices of 1060,1070 and insert a 1070ti that equals a Vega64 at prices similar to a Vega 56, and in doing so still enjoy higher margins than AMD
 
Thats the really depressing thing, you do get the sense AMD are already making no money on these and they are still too expensive for what they are.

They ain't going to get any R&D out of them to change that in the future, they havent done for some years which is probably why we now are at an impasse where AMD just cannot compete at all with Gaming GPU's.

I think its over..... :(

Why? The graphics segments been keeping the cpu segment's head above water for years so now we should see the benefits from that on the gpu side of AMD. It won't be immediate but research funding should improve and with it the products.
 
Why? The graphics segments been keeping the cpu segment's head above water for years so now we should see the benefits from that on the gpu side of AMD. It won't be immediate but research funding should improve and with it the products.

Yes AMD is definitely making ground in the CPU space which will proivide much needed cash for both divisions. People forget that if AMD only gain 10% of the cpu market from Intel, they will be making more money than Nvidia overall.
 
Yes AMD is definitely making ground in the CPU space which will proivide much needed cash for both divisions. People forget that if AMD only gain 10% of the cpu market from Intel, they will be making more money than Nvidia overall.


That's good news, I hadn't really thought about how much money it could net them but from what I've read at various places they are doing well and they are gaining market share.
I hope that's right.
 
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