Me too. How did we ever navigate the minefield ehh?
Russell Brand.
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Me too. How did we ever navigate the minefield ehh?
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dunno but it was generally a lot more fun than it seems now. hell last I heard even Freshers week is considered inappropriate now and instead of vouchers for cheap booze it's tickets for coffee shops and theatre.. Sod that! am glad I was uni student of the 90s
I'm not missing the point at all or you have written it poorly.
You wouldn't want a 30 year old man going out with your 16 year old daughter but are seemingly accepting it's ok for a 35 year old woman to go out with a 16 year old boy.
You allude to the fact that it's the difference in the type of relationship:
So what was the difference in the type of relationship?
Are you suggesting that Brand, a 30 year old man was only interested in sex with the 16 year old girl (that's a given) but this 35 year old women was more interested in a serious, long term relationship with a possibility of marriage to the 16 year old boy from the outset?
Is it the fact he's not your son that's the difference?
Would you be as against the relationship if the boy was your son like you would be if it was your 16 year old daughter and a 30 year old man?
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Regardless of anyone's opinion on him, this guilty before being proven innocent narrative is a disgusting illustration of a society that's lost it's way.
You are missing the point. You seem to be mixing a man using 16 year old girls for sex and a very unusual relationship. Most people didn’t approve of, but seems to have been a genuine relationship. As I said, if my 16 year old son was in a relationship with a woman nearly 20 years older than him I wouldn’t agree with it.
Stop assuming Brand is a rapist then?
It’s not “trial by media” proving his guilt; it’s investigative journalism followed by people responding to evidence presented. But then I wouldn’t expect much understanding of journalism in the depths of inceldom.
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I don't believe that papers should be allowed to make accusations like this. They are supposed to report the news, not make it. If they had information about Brand then it should have been passed to the police and that's the end of it. Instead, we get a trial by media - the premise of the media is guilty until proven innocent, and that's just not right or fair at all. This man has effectively had his life ruined without any trial. Even if he is guilty then we should all wait until that is proven.
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So Jimmy Saville is still innocent in your eyes?
Weinstein and NotW victims should have stayed quiet when the police failed to investigate?
Idiotic.
The 4th estate is vital, and the reporting is credible with 3 years of investigation. If it’s not, Brand can sue for damages and win easily.
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People should be innocent until proven guilty. That's fundamental, and it's being completely ignored by the media.
If the police do not investigate, then that becomes the news. Not who they failed to investigate.
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Should the press be allowed to set off these bombs in people's lives in the absence of any kind of legal investigation?
The presenting of the "evidence," to the public before the police even knowing about it is hugely disturbing to me.
The majority of these things don't even get to court as the cases fall apart in the police interview rooms.
Flack - Committed suicide under accusations of being an hysterical man beater before charges even brought.
Spacey - Lost his entire career, the case was thrown out in the courts of multiple countries.
Schofield - Lost everything, there wasn't even a complaint. From anyone.
Mendy - Lost his football career, case thrown out.
Greenwood - Lost his Man Utd football career, police investigation didn't even get out of the interview rooms.
Depp - Lost everything under accusations of being a crazy woman beater. Turned out it was the other way round and his Mrs was a head the ball.
How many of these boy who cried wolf do we need before we decide enough is enough?
You do know you can be guilty of something and fail to be prosecuted by the Police?
Do you think the Police have god like powers?! They are utterly incompetent and routinely fail victims.
Take Spacey, he admitted his crimes, the failure to prosecute came after that.
Clearly you have never had any involvement with law enforcement or basic real life.
What are you talking about? Many rape victims won’t go to the police for fear of being further abused by the police, and rightly so when you look at how the police have previously treated victims. The Police won’t investigate a rape if the victim doesn’t come to them.
No one has said Brand is criminally guilty, but people have seen the evidence presented and made their judgments on what to do with that evidence.
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Then our system needs to be reviewed and changed so that victims can come forward. But what we can't have is the media destroying lives on the basis of accusation.
Brand has lost his job and his income. All because of what? Someone says he committed a crime? That just isn't fair.
Sure, if he is taken to trial and found guilty, then hang him up by his *********. But until then, he shouldn't be named. And if the police aren't doing their job then they need to be on the front page of The Sun, not Brand.
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The Met have so many suspended officers at the moment it’s a small police force in its own right, and many of them have been suspended for their conduct against women. They were also in the news this week for paying damages to the women incorrectly arrested at the Sarah Everard vigil. Not exactly confidence inspiring.
Re: false accusations, the threshold for convictions is similarly high to that for rape/sexual assault. Proving with near certainty that someone has lied vs their evidence was merely inadequate to secure a conviction is very hard. It’s not a perfect system but the alternative is you reduce the threshold for both which means more people go to jail in error.
I do feel in these circumstances having the case go to court is far better than not. While not guilty does not equal innocent, I think your public rehabilitation is much harder without that. Mason Greenwood is case in point, I feel this would have played out differently had he gone on trial.
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Greenwood didn't go to trial because his girlfriend withdrew the charges.
Someone has to be sacrificed to sate the blood-thirsty masses in case some victims realise the only justice they're going to get is by getting it themselves.
Spacey was prosecuted and found not guilty.
'Grateful' Kevin Spacey cleared of sex assault charges
The Oscar-winning actor cried in court as he was cleared of all nine charges by a jury in London.
www.google.com
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If you are not prosecuted you are not guilty. We need this for society to be able to function.
It is not a difficult concept mate. If you think what is happening is a good thing, you need your head read quite frankly.
The investigation in to those arrests found the officers had not conducted themselves in an incorrect manner. The decision to make payouts was nothing but media appeasement. The officers in question were thrown under the bus.