Russian Grand Prix 2015, Sochi - Race 15/19

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The picture of the drivers view was essentially that Hamilton pic, just they were at the back of the room in the press conference. The picture is lame, small and low detail but what they could see is in that pic along with Hamilton.

I just wonder if Vettel was making up a number of gave out Hamilton's actual room number and if a bunch of them turn up this evening..... what you'd give to have his life.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I'm not convinced, he came from far back but Bottas was stupid enough to leave it open then cut across. He broke early and asked him to dive up the inside then cut across it. Both share some responsibility if you ask me.
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Oh my, some how I knew you were going to post this clap trap. You really don't like either of the Williams drivers do you.
 
Last season left some lingering doubts but this season has eliminated them. Rosberg is the contemporary Webber - undoubtedly a decent driver but slower than a very good team mate.

There are two difference in 2015 over 2014. 1) it is more visible. 2) his awareness of it and his undeniable acceptance of it is more visible.

The consequences of the latter are probably very difficult for a driver to accept. You either pocket the money, stay where you are and accept it, or you make the only change you can. You can't upskill enough so you change your environment - get a better car. Unfortunately for Rosberg there isn't likely to be a better car around until 2017 at the earliest, and the chances of him getting in it are remote.

Tough position to be in. Too many factors outside of his control.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Thing is if Bottas saw him didn't cut to the apex went wide and Kimi got ahead everyone would hail a brilliant overtake.
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No driver just rolls over and lets another one pass.

drunkenmaster said:
He left the gap open
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There wasn't a gap

drunkenmaster said:
didn't check where Kimi was and cut to the apex
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There wasn't anyone there

drunkenmaster said:
expecting no one to be there.
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Expecting no driver in control of his car to be there. Kimi had already locked up and couldn't make the corner with a clear track

drunkenmaster said:
Every time a driver expects no one to be there we see an accident.
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Nonsense. This happens quite safely on 99% of corners. Except when there's another driver unable to control his car

drunkenmaster said:
I mean how long ago was it Hulk left a gap then cut across the inside and was punished. Driver assuming no one is coming up the inside is bad driving for me.
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You'd be the greatest driver on the grid and everyone's friend. In last place.

drunkenmaster said:
It may have been Kimi's fault but that doesn't mean Bottas couldn't have avoided it easily.
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The final lol.

Seriously, you sometimes write some good stuff but this isn't the defend the indefensible round on 5 Live's Fighting Talk.

Kimi looked like he was pumped up, had a faster car and not enough race remaining to overtake. He made a desperate move that would have resulted in both drivers going off the track to avoid contact.
 
The_Abyss said:
Kimi looked like he was pumped up, had a faster car and not enough race remaining to overtake. He made a desperate move that would have resulted in both drivers going off the track to avoid contact.
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I'll just say one I don't agree they would have both gone off the track but the most important part here is if both go off the track, Bottas is entitled to keep his place and Kimi would have had to yield the position to him. Bottas gets third. Regardless of if Kimi did the right or wrong thing Bottas had the option to avoid an accident and most likely retain his third by doing so, at the very least he would have had fourth.

Regardless of if the driver is doing something stupid, if you have the option to avoid an accident and instead drive into a car if that car should be there or not, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Bottas DID leave a gap, he could have positioned himself half defensively in the middle of the track, ultra defensively on the inside or insanely undefensively as far wide as possible. When you move as far outside as possible and brake early you're begging for someone to dive up the inside.

Kimi could have made decisions to avoid that contact, but so could Bottas after Kimi made his decision.


I'd also say he didn't lock up until it became apparent Bottas was going for the apex at which point he locked up attempting to avoid contact. Had Bottas gone for the outside line and left room Kimi may or may not have locked up.

Just because person A does something stupid and you shouldn't HAVE to do something to avoid a crash doesn't mean you should just continue as if they weren't there because you feel you're in the right. Kimi shouldn't have dived up the inside and misjudged it, Bottas shouldn't have cut to the apex after Kimi dived up the inside.
 
We'll just have to agree to disagree then. 99 times out of 100 every F1 driver would have done what Bottas did, and arriving out of control halfway alongside (I hesitate to even say halfway alongside because he'd already locked up to the point where he couldn't turn, and hit Bottas who was rotated far further as well as in control) is not a normal situation and - this we agree on - results in an accident as do most other occasions when a driver is not in full control.
 
I would say that last year Hamilton more than once pulled away from a corner letting Rosberg banzai up the inside, once at Bahrain after which he used the cutback to get back past him. In Russia last year he also let Rosberg bang up the inside and right off the track and continued on to win the race.

Honestly I don't much care about what Kimi did, only that after Kimi did what he did, Bottas had he been paying attention had multiple options. Go wide around the corner, run straight off the track, stay outside and cutback up the inside once Kimi is past and get better traction out of the corner. The only thing he shouldn't have done is seeing Kimi coming gunning to the inside of the corner, is cut out in front of him at a tight angle.

Bottas had 3-4 options to most likely stay third, potentially fourth but all of them meaning finishing the race. The one choice that meant certain contact and huge chance of finishing with nothing was the one he took.

At Hungary Ricciardo banged up the inside of Rosberg WAY more out of control than Kimi, locking up from way further back and in that case Rosberg had gone well out wide, he just let Ricciardo go and went up the inside and was ahead till the contact happened and screwed them both up.

If another driver is doing something stupid you can't just ignore it and say "well he shouldn't be there so I'm going to continue as if he wasn't".
 
drunkenmaster said:
Just because person A does something stupid and you shouldn't HAVE to do something to avoid a crash doesn't mean you should just continue as if they weren't there because you feel you're in the right. Kimi shouldn't have dived up the inside and misjudged it, Bottas shouldn't have cut to the apex after Kimi dived up the inside.
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Are you serious? Bottas does not have eyes in his ass. The driver behind has all the eyes required in that situation. Bottas was on the racing line as defined by every rule book in the racing world, he didnt cut the apex, he didn't get the chance. As a matter of definition, an 'apex' is actually the maximum at which you can 'cut' a corner, more than that and you are off :)

Jay
 
Sigh

Just leave it guys. drunkenmaster will consider himself correct and everyone else wrong on literally anything. If we all said the sky was blue he would write an essay on how its green.
 
Fan's video puts an interesting perspective on the crash. Even with suspension intact it is doubtful that Kimi would have kept it on the track, such was his entry speed.


If Bottas was to avoid the collision he'd had had to turn almost 90 degrees left and go way off track. I doubt he'd have been expecting that. His speed is only marginally less than Kimi's, but he's rotated the car and he's going around the corner. Kimi is going through it
 
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