Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

[Longbow]

Better not be article 5.

Which NATO nation was attacked to use Article 5?

 

[Gilly]

Better not be article 5.

How could the aggressor call upon article 5?

 

[Curio]

Better not be article 5.

LOL hardly!

 

[Mynight]

Why would it be? Russia hasn't attacked Turkey.

I was under the impression violating airspace was an act of aggression. Are they not acting in "self defense"?

 

[dunker]

was over rather quickly.

 

[Longbow]

I was under the impression violating airspace was an act of aggression. Are they not acting in "self defense"?

Perhaps at the time, but it's quite clear right now that Russia hasn't attacked Turkey.

 

[Gilly]

I was under the impression violating airspace was an act of aggression.

You think all of NATO would go to war for a member state whose air space had simply been violated? No attack, just a plane flying around?

 

[Chris344]

Just feels like a bad move by Turkey

 

[Mynight]

Fair enough. My bad .

You think all of NATO would go to war for a member state whose air space had simply been violated? No attack, just a plane flying around?

Don't know that's why I said it better not be .

I cant find the rules for invoking article 5 wiki gives the impression that a member has to ask for it and then thats it. Cant find mention of it it can be blocked or even the requirements for it to be invoked. The only instance its been used is 9/11.

 

[dunker]

this is the next Homeland series i bet.

 

[Curio]

So was it just some wishy-washy statement from NATO?

 

[nemtizz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18584872

Mr Erdogan spoke of Turkey's "rage" at the decision to shoot down the F-4 Phantom on 22 June and described Syria as a "clear and present threat".
"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack," he said. The Turkish jet was on a training flight, testing Turkey's radars in the eastern Mediterranean, he said.

 

[Curio]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18584872

AWKWARD

 

[oulton]

He's just finishing the radar photoshop.

Why are you so anti Putin/Russia? I take it you haven't visited, it is a beautiful country with great people with a great wit.

 

[gettothechopper]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18584872

is it not possible that the event you have linked changed Turkeys mind about it?

 

[oulton]

AWKWARD

Wow, that nasty isis supporter Erdogan is due a cup of polonium tea methinks.

 

[sityeuropa]

The attitude I feel is most people of the UK want to work with Russia, yet the government and media are against them.

 

[itchy]

Something does not add up here?

Say the jet was going slow at 500mph, that part of Turkey is about 2 miles wide.

How can you issue 10 warnings in 15 seconds! At that speed you would cover
2 miles in about 15 seconds.

Hope this is not the most expensive 15 seconds in history.

 

[gettothechopper]

Something does not add up here?

Say the jet was going slow at 500mph, that part of Turkey is about 2 miles wide.

How can you issue 10 warnings in 15 seconds! At that speed you would cover
2 miles in about 15 seconds.

Hope this is not the most expensive 15 seconds in history.

maybe read the 7 page thread
do you not think this has come up once or twice?

 

[Chris344]

Something does not add up here?

Say the jet was going slow at 500mph, that part of Turkey is about 2 miles wide.

How can you issue 10 warnings in 15 seconds! At that speed you would cover
2 miles in about 15 seconds.

Hope this is not the most expensive 15 seconds in history.

That's true, also, why wouldn't they listen to the warnings?