Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

Nelly · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:26

Let Turkey fend for themselves, throw them out of NATO, if them want to play war games with a super power.

Jokester · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:29

Longbow said:
Why don't you believe with that video?

It could be an SU27 firing flares.

Moses said:
They've just shown it on Channel 4 News/are reporting it as legit...

Yes, now that Russia are confirming the incident happened. Until then the media were barely reporting it, if at all because they couldn't verify it's authenticity.

NexusK · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:30

This has happened just in time for Turkey to get a roasting for thanksgiving on Thursday.

Dunks · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:32

nemtizz said:
Took their sweet ass time to set up that TOW so it must have been there for a while.

I'm amazed they managed to set it up and fire it, can't be the easiest thing to do, although I'm guessing they must have some people that the US trained, whoever had the weapon, with them.

McPhee · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:34

Turkey is a weird nation. It wants the security that comes with being a NATO member, the economic benefits of being in the EU, yet its loyalties appear to largely lie in the middle east. They aren't really friends at all. They are as much our enemy as Russia are, though with the Rus we at least share more cultural similarities and a shared ancestry.

Longbow · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:35

Jokester said:
It could be an SU27 firing flares.

What? Are you watching the same video? It shows what appears to be an Mi-17 being blown up by a TOW.

Washout · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:36

RaohNS said:
Turkey is funding ISIS actively and what's more it goes right up to official level. Journalists have found this out. ISIS sell vast quantities of oil or trade oil for weapons.

Journalists have found this out and been killed by Turkish or somewhat likely American agents because they are uncovering the truth about how ISIS are being paid. It's a combination of direct and indirect funds from Turkey and of course the same from the US government

Poor Americans catch the blame for everything! So American agents are out there knocking off Turkish journalists? Careful, now you've implicated them you could be next!

Jokester · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:36

Longbow said:
What? Are you watching the same video? It shows what appears to be an Mi-17 being blown up by a TOW.

Wooossshhhh.

Hitman_Leon · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:38

Longbow said:
What? Are you watching the same video? It shows what appears to be an Mi-17 being blown up by a TOW.

Something very different

oulton · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:38

Nelly said:
Let Turkey fend for themselves, throw them out of NATO, if them want to play war games with a super power.

Yup

MrMarvelous · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:38

Fingers crossed the Russians will vaporize Turkey and the Middle East. U.K might be next though with the amount of Muslims here!

dowie · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:39

itchy said:
Something does not add up here?

Say the jet was going slow at 500mph, that part of Turkey is about 2 miles wide.

How can you issue 10 warnings in 15 seconds! At that speed you would cover
2 miles in about 15 seconds.

Hope this is not the most expensive 15 seconds in history.

they'd warn before the jet entered as it is heading towards them...

tis the shooting down when it is over Syrian airspace that is the bigger issue IMO

Longbow · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:39

Jokester said:
Wooossshhhh.

Jokester said:
Ah yes, that bastion of truth, YouTube.

So that wasn't sarcasm?

Washout · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:41

Dunks said:
I'm amazed they managed to set it up and fire it, can't be the easiest thing to do, although I'm guessing they must have some people that the US trained, whoever had the weapon, with them.

They'd have been trained alright as most of those 'moderate' rebel/terrorist (delete whatever way you want) were given weapons by the west to fight Assad and his tanks.
Bet they never thought it was going to be used on Russian helis.

Jokester · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:43

Longbow said:
So that wasn't sarcasm?

Just because a video of something propotedly depicting something is on YouTube doesn't mean it happened. The media have barely reported it at all till now without verification (I still can't see any mention of it on the BBC), otherwise you might get another SU27 deploying flares type incident.

The Funktopus · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:44

Well, the various rebel groups, IS included, recycle the same footage over and over, claiming fresh victories/atrocities. This could be of an Mi-17 getting hit in a separate incident, possibly a long time ago and nothing to do with the present situation. Therefore it's worth taking clips posted to YouTube with a pinch of salt.

Over Clocker · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:44

It would go something like:

You are approaching Turkish airspace, identify yourself

You are approaching Turkish airspace, what are your intentions

You are rapidly approaching airspace and not responding, turn around now

If you enter Turkish airspace, you will be shot down. Please turn back now

I repeat - If you enter Turkish airspace, you will be shot down. Please turn back now

I repeat - If you enter Turkish airspace, you will be shot down. Please turn back now

I repeat - If you enter Turkish airspace, you will be shot down. Please turn back now

You are within 1 mile of Turkish airspace and not responding.

You are inside Turkish airspace. I repeat, turn around NOW or you WILL be shot down.
You are inside Turkish airspace. I repeat, turn around NOW or you WILL be shot down.
You are inside Turkish airspace. I repeat, turn around NOW or you WILL be shot down.
You are inside Turkish airspace. I repeat, turn around NOW or you WILL be shot down.

MISSILE AWAY

Longbow · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:52

Jokester said:
Just because a video of something propotedly depicting something is on YouTube doesn't mean it happened. The media have barely reported it at all till now without verification (I still can't see any mention of it on the BBC), otherwise you might get another SU27 deploying flares type incident.

It shows exactly what it says it is, a helicopter being blown up.

Hitman_Leon · 24 Nov 2015 at 19:58

Longbow said:
It shows exactly what it says it is, a helicopter being blown up.

He is referring to the BBC using the wrong picture and saying it was the fighter bomber being shot down.

As-in, if it were confirmed and on the BBC they would probably use the wrong picture.

Longbow · 24 Nov 2015 at 20:00

Hitman_Leon said:
He is referring to the BBC using the wrong picture and saying it was the fighter bomber being shot down.

Oh I know, but that doesn't discredit everything.

Sky have reported the video, as have Channel 4. The Youtube channel in question is very active, very regular videos, all from the same area, so it's probable the video was recorded today. It does show a helicopter, which appears to be an Mi-17, which may be Russian, being destroyed by some rebels using a TOW.