Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey
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Soldato
It's loyalties lie in Turkey. And the only cultural similarities we share with Russia is a long running shared bloody rivalry.
Also, when we're confronted with the options of having Turkey in NATO, or the Warsaw Pact, it wasn't a difficult choice. They are a large country, with a large army, in one of the most strategically important positions on the planet. They also let NATO base lot's of military hardware right next-door to the enemy. They've been a good ally.
This is in the top 5 of worst and dumbest posts I have ever read on this forum.
Is it a poor attempt at humour or a genuine opinion of yours?
No, it wouldn't. Even Turkey's data shows the plane inside Turkey for 12 seconds, in a part that sticks out into Syria.
Don
So why not link to a reputable news site
That's is one trigger happy pilot that's for sure.
Looking at Google earth and measuring, they turned to approach Turkey at 5 miles from the border. The incursion was for 15 seconds, the whole incident happened in less than 1 minute. If we go with the 500mph speed, even at 250mph it would have all happened within 1 minute 30 seconds.
Trying to find the quote from the Turkish defence minister about them being warned for 5 minutes. Yer ok! if your in a bloody hot air balloon.
Looking at Google earth and measuring, they turned to approach Turkey at 5 miles from the border. The incursion was for 15 seconds, the whole incident happened in less than 1 minute. If we go with the 500mph speed, even at 250mph it would have all happened within 1 minute 30 seconds.
Trying to find the quote from the Turkish defence minister about them being warned for 5 minutes. Yer ok! if your in a bloody hot air balloon.
I think you are pointing out something pretty valid here. At this point if it becomes clear and proven the plane did enter their airspace for such a small and brief period, will this hold up as reasonable show of force from the Turks to the rest of the world? You would seriously think NO, but the fact that nobody has condemned this including the UK/USA makes you believe they are going to verge on side with Turkey on this..... I would think from a neutral standpoint any nation would condemn the show of force even not knowing this fact but it hasn't been the case.
The breach of Geneva convention, if it turns out to be true, will have more political bearing on this whole situation possibly. And by new emerging videos it looks like these pilots were heavy gunned when parachuting down.
That's is one trigger happy pilot that's for sure.
Looking at Google earth and measuring, they turned to approach Turkey at 5 miles from the border. The incursion was for 15 seconds, the whole incident happened in less than 1 minute. If we go with the 500mph speed, even at 250mph it would have all happened within 1 minute 30 seconds.
Trying to find the quote from the Turkish defence minister about them being warned for 5 minutes. Yer ok! if your in a bloody hot air balloon.
Following on to this, anyone clue'd up on the capabilities of a Turkish F16? Range capabilities? Would the Russian plane have been aware for a much longer time that the Turkish F16 was in the area and in the air a good while prior to their potential entry to Turkish airspace?
If the Russian plane was over Turkish airspace for under 1 minute, the F16 simply had to have been established in the air and ready to engage and I don't know the technicalities but the Russian plane would surely be aware of its presence and threat?
Just thinking out loud now. Maybe relevant.
Soldato
I remember channel 4 using an ARMA2 clip claiming it was actual footage of an event
It was actually ITV.
That's is one trigger happy pilot that's for sure.
Looking at Google earth and measuring, they turned to approach Turkey at 5 miles from the border. The incursion was for 15 seconds, the whole incident happened in less than 1 minute. If we go with the 500mph speed, even at 250mph it would have all happened within 1 minute 30 seconds.
Trying to find the quote from the Turkish defence minister about them being warned for 5 minutes. Yer ok! if your in a bloody hot air balloon.
99.9% sure i read that they were getting warnings 10m away from the Turkish border while doing runs which i think was blatant harassment inside Syria border, The Turkmen are holed up in the mountains along the border with American made/Nato weapons and are basically fighing the Syrian Goverment without an invitation. Aka what we commonly know as terrorism. Dislike Putin but everytime he comes on the news he tells the truth and facts. Reminds me of Farage people may not like them but you have to respect the blunt and to the point facts both always get across.
The same can be true of the wests omg anti-gay Russia laws when infact Putin nailed that one in an interview too when talking about Sochi. And to think at one point i used to believe the whole Americans good Russia bad rhetoric. America is nothing but a moeny grabbing lying toting hypocrite with just as much foreign aggression and bases as Russia. Heck maybe even more perhaps if we did a run-down of conflicts in the last 40 years.
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Soldato
They supposedly allowed suicide bombers through as that was they only way ISIS could gain access for the second assault.
They also allowed ISIS to gather civilians up and take them back to areas to be used as human shields or slaughter. (this was on the Syrian side but only meters away from where the Turks has a large army presence) There are many pictures of this incident. Although this was not Kobani many of the people were from there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-border-try-flee-Islamic-State-territory.html
Ignore the daily mail article, it was just the first to come up. it is only there for the pictures. There are many other pictures as well.
And many other things.
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Pretty poor RADAR system if it didn't. I'd like to think the Russian jet knew it was there, regardless if it heard it via comms or not.
That's is one trigger happy pilot that's for sure.
Looking at Google earth and measuring, they turned to approach Turkey at 5 miles from the border. The incursion was for 15 seconds, the whole incident happened in less than 1 minute. If we go with the 500mph speed, even at 250mph it would have all happened within 1 minute 30 seconds.
Trying to find the quote from the Turkish defence minister about them being warned for 5 minutes. Yer ok! if your in a bloody hot air balloon.
you don't think they'd be warned on the approach?
Soldato
No you don't, because it was arma 2 on an itv as a documentary.Neither the media or the terrorists are opposed to using other videos not even related to the current subject to make there point. I remember channel 4 using an ARMA2 clip claiming it was actual footage of an event
Soldato
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The Russian aircraft was inside Syrian airspace though, this is is mad dog erdogan going all in on high stakes.
Man of Honour
In a letter to the UN, Turkey said the two SU-24 planes disregarded warnings and violated Turkish airspace "to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds".
Soldato
I would expect the f16 was already there and shadowing the su. When it entered the airspace... Pow!That's is one trigger happy pilot that's for sure.
Looking at Google earth and measuring, they turned to approach Turkey at 5 miles from the border. The incursion was for 15 seconds, the whole incident happened in less than 1 minute. If we go with the 500mph speed, even at 250mph it would have all happened within 1 minute 30 seconds.
Trying to find the quote from the Turkish defence minister about them being warned for 5 minutes. Yer ok! if your in a bloody hot air balloon.
The comments from the US are interesting. Basically they are agreeing to the number of messages but don't seem to be offering up data on where the jet was hit. I bet they know the exact location but are keeping quiet. They aren't going to want to side with Russia. I get the impression that the incursion into the Turk airspace was very breif. We need a proper radar track for full flight.
How far is far though, at those speeds they could gain a hell of a lot of distance if they wanted to very easily.
If the warnings are true, I find it hard to see what else Turkey was going to do.