Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

Begbie said:
How far is far though, at those speeds they could gain a hell of a lot of distance if they wanted to very easily.

If the warnings are true, I find it hard to see what else Turkey was going to do.
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that is a pretty big IF.

How the Turks acted during a minutes silence for Paris

 
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Over Clocker said:
In a letter to the UN, Turkey said the two SU-24 planes disregarded warnings and violated Turkish airspace "to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds".
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17 seconds that's bloody silly. Sounds to me them F16's where in the sky locked, loaded and buzzing the SU-24s.

Can you even lock onto an aircraft and deploy a missile that fast.

That plane has been shot down over Syria not Turkey, if a pilot can make
a stupid rash decision within 17 seconds he needs shooting. :mad:

Turkey need booting out of NATO if that's the kind of Air force they have,
the gang of trigger happy (insert whatever word comes to mind here). :p
 
Dunks said:
I'm amazed they managed to set it up and fire it, can't be the easiest thing to do, although I'm guessing they must have some people that the US trained, whoever had the weapon, with them.
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I used to fire Milan the equivalent system used by the uk army, would assemble it in 10 seconds then press the red button, and that's all there is to it - other than guiding the missile which just requires you to keep the target in the centre of crosshair.

Tow is pretty much the same, doesn't take much training really.
 
leaskovski said:
I would expect the f16 was already there and shadowing the su. When it entered the airspace... Pow!

The comments from the US are interesting. Basically they are agreeing to the number of messages but don't seem to be offering up data on where the jet was hit. I bet they know the exact location but are keeping quiet. They aren't going to want to side with Russia. I get the impression that the incursion into the Turk airspace was very breif. We need a proper radar track for full flight.
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We don't need anything, the Russians have violated Turkish airspace repeatedly, this was bound to happen sooner or later. No self respecting country allows foreign jets flying in and out of their sovereign territory as they please. What do you think would happen if NATO went in and out of Russian territory, over the course of a month?
The Russian commanders and mission planners are incompetents, this is what happens in an autocracy's military, the most competent soldiers are sidelined and the rear end lickers get the promotions.
 
Longbow said:
The link provided still doesn't explain or provide any evidence for this supposed revolting act the Turkish did to the Kurds in Kobani.
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Like many things in a war zone, you are never going to get definitive answers.

As the toss could be argued all day long, it all depends which way your view swings.

But the fact the Turkish allowed civilians to be rounded up on their boarder speaks volumes to me. When they could have prevented this, I'm sure the Syrian regimen would not of been best pleased, It would have shown some level of humanity to do something.

The suicide bombs were reported magically appearing from behind where the Kurdish forces were fighting which was bordering Turkey. There was no other way for them to access that area.

But as you say no conclusive proof of anything, just circumstantial evidence. When this type of thing turns up frequently, Questions should be asked.
 
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itchy said:
17 seconds that's bloody silly. Sounds to me them F16's where in the sky locked, loaded and buzzing the SU-24s.

Can you even lock onto an aircraft and deploy a missile that fast.

That plane has been shot down over Syria not Turkey, if a pilot can make
a stupid rash decision within 17 seconds he needs shooting. :mad:

Turkey need booting out of NATO if that's the kind of Air force they have,
the gang of trigger happy (insert whatever word comes to mind here). :p
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Standard rules of engagement though shooting at an aircraft on a heading exiting your airspace and identifying itself is pretty much a no-no. The Russians have shot down US planes over their airspace before and 18 months ago or so we were within seconds of shooting down a Russian transport that had communication issues and it would have been shot down if things hadn't been resolved no ifs or buts.
 
itchy said:
17 seconds that's bloody silly. Sounds to me them F16's where in the sky locked, loaded and buzzing the SU-24s.

Can you even lock onto an aircraft and deploy a missile that fast.

That plane has been shot down over Syria not Turkey, if a pilot can make
a stupid rash decision within 17 seconds he needs shooting. :mad:

Turkey need booting out of NATO if that's the kind of Air force they have,
the gang of trigger happy (insert whatever word comes to mind here). :p
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love how they didnt contact russia in anyway shape of form before contact was cut by russia, they just ran squeeling to nato
 
BBC Bloke said:
When Russian and US jets came into close proximity over Syria early last month, the Pentagon and the White House were swift to condemn.

"Wreckless" and "irresponsible" were just some of the stiff words they used at the time.

But now that Turkey has actually shot a Russian jet down, there is a tangible reluctance to up the ante, and a scramble to lower the temperature.
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Yep.

sityeuropa said:
Quite sad the U.S and most of the allies are not being harsher with Turkey. Petty petty.
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It's digusting.
 
sityeuropa said:
Quite sad the U.S and most of the allies are not being harsher with Turkey. Petty petty.
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Quite sad that so many are siding with Russia. Who have been entering air space for weeks, have had so many warnings both in the air and through diplomatic means. And turkey even shot down a Russian drone to show their strength and meaning.

Russia fault end off. As long as they were in turkeys airspace.
 
not necessarily... if they were shot down after exiting having been in Turkish airspace briefly then tis still dodgy - just because they were in there wouldn't necessarily mean Turkey is in the right
 
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