Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

xdcx · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:05

I was thinking that earlier, if this Su-24 had MiG escort at the time, what the hell would have happened then? Maybe not even worth thinking about.....

Mynight · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:05

Don't know if those missiles can be aborted. Or if it's a fire and forget job. The latter would support the map but the former surely you'd stop the missile as soon as you could?

dowie · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:08

xdcx said:
I was thinking that earlier, if this Su-24 had MiG escort at the time, what the hell would have happened then? Maybe not even worth thinking about.....

well it seems they will have in future... wouldn't be surprised if we see a Turkish plane being shot down if this were to happen again - Russia is likely going to step up attacks on Turkish backed groups in Syria after this, they pretty much have to after one of their airmen was shot after bailing out

dowie · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:09

Dis86 said:
Missiles aren't lasers. They take time to get to their targets.

so what? doesn't change anything - they shot it down over Syria while it was posing no threat to them... it was Turkey sending a message, not self defence

Boycey0211 · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:09

Mynight said:
Don't know if those missiles can be aborted. Or if it's a fire and forget job. The latter would support the map but the former surely you'd stop the missile as soon as you could?

There is no abort button like in films for air to air weapons

n14hta · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:10

Boycey0211 said:
There is no abort button like in films for air to air weapons

lol

ultralaser · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:10

12 pages for this thread? Really??? Simples...... a non NATO country violated the airspace of a NATO member, the NATO member shot it the aircraft that violated it's airspace, as it should do. It's well known that violating a NATO members airspace can result into the loss of the aircraft that violated it's airspace. /thread

Mynight · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:10

Boycey0211 said:
There is no abort button like in films for air to air weapons

damn films lying to me again

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Dis86 · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:11

dowie said:
so what? doesn't change anything - they shot it down over Syria while it was posing no threat to them... it was Turkey sending a message, not self defence

It changes everything. How did they know there was no threat when they were launched?

xdcx · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:12

ultralaser said:
12 pages for this thread? Really??? Simples...... a non NATO country violated the airspace of a NATO member, the NATO member shot it the aircraft that violated it's airspace, as it should do. It's well known that violating a NATO members airspace can result into the loss of the aircraft that violated it's airspace. /thread

Well thank **** you showed up and cleared this all up man. We have really been struggling in here.

G'night everyone! Jobs a good 'un.

dowie · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:12

ultralaser said:
12 pages for this thread? Really??? Simples...... a non NATO country violated the airspace of a NATO member, the NATO member shot it the aircraft that violated it's airspace, as it should do. It's well known that violating a NATO members airspace can result into the loss of the aircraft that violated it's airspace. /thread

not really that simple though... else turkey and Greece would be dropping each other's planes out of the sky on a regular basis... and Russian planes would have already been shot down. This was blatantly a deliberate action not just some pilot reacting according to his rules of engagement.

Tefal · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:13

So the rescue helicopter had been blown up by American backed malitia using an American supplied missile.

All in HD. ...

dowie · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:13

Dis86 said:
It changes everything. How did they know there was no threat when they were launched?

Well Russia isn't at war with Turkey and the plane has just skimmed a tiny strip of territory and isn't heading towards them... Do you not think the pilots know 'missiles aren't lazers'... tis such an irrelevant point.

Dis86 · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:14

Tefal said:
So the rescue helicopter had been blown up by American backed malitia using an American supplied missile.

All in HD. ...

Yup, it was those fellas the Russians 'hadn't' been targeting.

Dis86 · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:15

dowie said:
Well Russia isn't at war with Turkey and the plane has just skimmed a tiny strip of territory and isn't heading towards them... Do you not think the pilots know 'missiles aren't lazers'... tis such an irrelevant point.

They didn't know it was a Russian plane...

The whole point is it never identified itself when prompted many times. Jeez you need to learn to read.

And how to spell

Tefal · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:16

ultralaser said:
12 pages for this thread? Really??? Simples...... a non NATO country violated the airspace of a NATO member, the NATO member shot it the aircraft that violated it's airspace, as it should do. It's well known that violating a NATO members airspace can result into the loss of the aircraft that violated it's airspace. /thread

Ahh the Tony Martin defence

dowie · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:16

Dis86 said:
They didn't know it was a Russian plane...

The whole point is it never identified itself when prompted many times. Jeez you need to learn to read.

no the whole point is it wasn't posing a threat and was shot over Syrian territory... at best it skimmed Turkish territory very briefly if we believe the Turks... if we believe the Russians it didn't even enter it. There was no threat from it either way... you need to think.

Tefal · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:17

Dis86 said:
Yup, it was those fellas the Russians 'hadn't' been targeting.

Well they just got their public reason to attack the fsa fully now haven't they.

ultralaser · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:18

xdcx said:
Well thank **** you showed up and cleared this all up man. We have really been struggling in here.

G'night everyone! Jobs a good 'un.

dowie said:
not really that simple though... else turkey and Greece would be dropping each other's planes out of the sky on a regular basis... and Russian planes would have already been shot down. This was blatantly a deliberate action not just some pilot reacting according to his rules of engagement.

Greece are a member of NATO so not sure how your point quite fits in here. It is a deliberate action, a deliberate action to stop the Russian airforce from entering sovereign airspace. When you enter another nations airspace it's their call on how they act and response. Russia have pushed Turkey for a while on this, and the Turks lost their patience and shot one of their aircraft down. Personally I just can't see the big issue here. Clearly I'm missing something

xdcx · 24 Nov 2015 at 23:18

Legit question, what language would the Turks use to communicate to a plane of which they have no idea where it comes from or who it belongs to?