Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey
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so you'll realise that any Russian plane operating in that area poses as much threat as the one that may or may not have skimmed a tiny bit of land... yet you think there is a specific threat from that one somehow that warrants shooting it down?
I'll point it out again for you since you deliberately missed it:
Russian planes are actively operating in that region - what difference does skimming a tiny strip of land sticking out into Syria make from a self defence perspective - assuming they even did skim that bit of Turkish land? Aside from giving an excuse of sorts to engage....
Caporegime
Are you being deliberately ignorant?
They did not know it was Russian.
It had ignored multiple contacts and requests to deviate.
It continued to fly towards sovereign Turkish territory.
It is an active war zone. Turkish aircraft have been attacked and pilots killed recently in this conflict.
They have stated they are moving a ship in armed with S-300 missiles, it will be capable of shooting down the F-16 from the sea if the same scenario was played out again. Bombers will also be escorted by fighters. They're doubling down.
Commissario
Russia isn't at war with Tuerkey, but it seems their pilots have really bad map reading skills and no ability to receive radio warnings that other nations in the area picked up fine.
Repeatedly.
This isn't the first, second or even third time the Russians have entered Turkish airspace and ignored radio warnings.
It's not even the first Russian aircraft to be shot down for doing so - you'd have thought Russia would have emphasised to it's pilots the basic importance of listening out for warnings from ATC and other military forces they're not at war with, and the importance of not flying over someone else's territory without permission.
When you've got an armed aircraft that is ignoring your legitimate and very plain warnings, you can't trust that it's not going to accidentally attack your territory.
If the Turkish government are to be believed the aircraft had something like 10 warnings over 5 minutes at a minimum.
I wonder if the Russian aircraft have been under instruction to ignore anything from other ATC and airforces, it's about the only reason I can think for them to have continually over months to have kept doing so, especially after the drone was shot down a few weeks back (something that would normally have been taken as a reason to be very cautious).
Soldato
And do what? Turkey isn't a poor ex soviet state that Russia can't just push and bully Turkey at will, hell Russin forces struggled enough gainst an under funded and under equipped Ukrainian army let alone facing a nato backed country like Turkey. Even if there was a show down which I highly doubt Russia will only get hit with more and more sanctions from the EU which they can't afford without hurting there bleak economic outlook even further.
Caporegime
Because you're ignoring facts and logic. My posts have answered your question.
Ahh, not quite what I mean, Russia is racing to increase capacity in Sevastopol with newer vehicles, as Turkey currently would likely win an engagement, though that assessment is now a few years old.
There is an arms race occurring and apparently no one is batting an eye at it either...
Caporegime
Werewolf, I don't think there's any point. Dowie obviously knows the identity and intent of everyone in a war.
He has a true gift.
He has a true gift.
no they haven't
there are Russian jets regularly operating in that area at the invitation of the Syrian govt... they're attacking targets in Syria close to the border... this is a regular event these days and the Russians are no doubt getting regular warnings when they come close to Turkish territory... how does skimming a tiny bit of territory suddenly make this jet a threat compared to say one in the same area that happened to not skim their territory? This is a daily occurrence in that area.
we'll go back to your post 'Also for your education you don't need to head towards a plane to shoot it down.' - surely then any Russian plane operating legitimately in that area is as much of a threat as the one that may or may not have skimmed a bit of territory?
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Caporegime
For one last time
THEY DIDNT KNOW IT WAS RUSSIAN
SYRIAN JETS OPERATE TOO
TURKS HAVE HAD PLANES SHOT DOWN
IT REFUSED TO DEVIATE WHEN WARNED
MULTIPLE TIMES
you seem to have a gift for making bad analogies....
missing the point... and the question again
I didn't ask whether it was Russian, I asked:
how does skimming a tiny bit of territory suddenly make this jet a threat compared to say one in the same area that happened to not skim their territory?
(if we're assuming it actually did skim their territory... something that is still in dispute)
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Caporegime
Because that is what gives the green light to engage. You understand rules of engagement, right? Turkey made theirs clear after that incident I've told you about and you've ignored about five times.
It was judged to be a threat long before the missile was fired. Hence the requests and warnings.
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erm no I've not ignored - you were claiming there was a threat, I'm claiming there is no more threat from this plane than from the other planes operating in the area... if it did skim some Turkish territory then all that has actually done is give them a weak excuse to shoot it down... as you've basically pointed out there: 'Because that is what gives the green light to engage.'
they've shot it down on a technicality at best and you know it but you're too stubborn to admit that
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Caporegime
Lol selective highlighting. Love it. Glad you've accepted it gave then reason. Or as you put it 'an excuse'.
lets take a look at an RAF forum, seems there is a RAF equivalent of arrse:
http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?50611-Turkey-shoots-down-Russian-SU-24-fighter-jet!
funny - these posters on an RAF forum don't all seem to share the sentiment that it was such an obvious threat....
http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?50611-Turkey-shoots-down-Russian-SU-24-fighter-jet!
funny - these posters on an RAF forum don't all seem to share the sentiment that it was such an obvious threat....
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