Russian SU-24 - Shot Down by Turkey

Rimsy · 25 Nov 2015 at 00:54

Longbow said:
Both Turkish and Russian radar images show the jet near the border covering a distance that would take many minutes to cover, not 35 seconds. It is very possible they gave 10 warnings

Is this comment based on you looking at a map and guessing how long it would take a jet to cover that distance? Fag packet calculations all seem to point to around 30 seconds.

itchy · 25 Nov 2015 at 00:56

Longbow said:
Both Turkish and Russian radar images show the jet near the border covering a distance that would take many minutes to cover, not 35 seconds. It is very possible they gave 10 warnings.

So when they come over here, we shouldn't bother sending jets up?

You do know how fast jets fly???

At 500mph you doing over 8 miles per minute. That plane shot down was capable of doing about 3 times that speed.

Turkey have chased that plane and shot it down, for the whole 17 seconds it intruded there air space. :rolleyes:

Madness.

Strife212 · 25 Nov 2015 at 00:58

Longbow said:
Both Turkish and Russian radar images show the jet near the border covering a distance that would take many minutes to cover, not 35 seconds. It is very possible they gave 10 warnings.

No it doesn't, Turkey's official statement to NATO said the plane was in Turkish Airspace for exactly 17 seconds.

Sixense · 25 Nov 2015 at 01:18

iIrc Turkey already warned Russia some time ago, that incursions will be dealt with, after many events where Russian drones would be found flying over Turkey. So I'm not really suprised this one ended how it did. Turkey most likely has some jets patrolling areas near Syria border at all times, with civil war going and stuff.

If someone was walking in my backyard and wouldn't respond to warnings I'd take out my pithcfork too.

17 seconds or 1 second, it's not your backyard, gtfo or "get rekt".

SonniLombardi · 25 Nov 2015 at 02:11

Gotta love GD and the comments by all the professionals

so funny.

Muzza1875 · 25 Nov 2015 at 02:17

itchy said:
My personal belief at the moment is, we are seeing a Muslim uprising from hard line factions within Turkey and its army personnel. In fact all of the middle east is ****ed at the moment.

They are in NATO which makes me shiver with fear.

Ditto don't trust them.

NexusK · 25 Nov 2015 at 07:19

At the end of the day if we shared a border with Syria with the way things are right now we'd have shot it down too. You don't take chances when your next door neighbours are IS.

Dave · 25 Nov 2015 at 07:22

How long will Turkey be allowed to remain in NATO given the evidence there is to suggest that it is facilitating terrorists/IS? (i.e. oil revenues, allowing foreign fighters through the border etc.) Presumably if Russia did respond then NATO would do as they did when the Argentines invaded the Falklands and just shrug their shoulders.

Was the US pulling patriot missiles out of Turkey earlier on this year a precursor to reducing NATO presence in Turkey?

Cosimo · 25 Nov 2015 at 07:27

SonniLombardi said:
Gotta love GD and the comments by all the professionals so funny.

No different to the experts on the BBC news channel.

I_M_Weasel · 25 Nov 2015 at 07:47

Dave said:
How long will Turkey be allowed to remain in NATO given the evidence there is to suggest that it is facilitating terrorists/IS? (i.e. oil revenues, allowing foreign fighters through the border etc.) Presumably if Russia did respond then NATO would do as they did when the Argentines invaded the Falklands and just shrug their shoulders.

Was the US pulling patriot missiles out of Turkey earlier on this year a precursor to reducing NATO presence in Turkey?

I can't imagine NATO wanting one on the largest armies in the alliance to leave, not to mention its usefulness as a base of operations.

Mynight · 25 Nov 2015 at 07:54

I_M_Weasel said:
I can't imagine NATO wanting one on the largest armies in the alliance to leave, not to mention its usefulness as a base of operations.

I doubt it as well. But if it is true about Turkey then it's rather hypocritical of the west to count them as allies whilst simultaneously "waging war" on someone they support.

The Running Man · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:15

It's pretty safe to say turkey knew the flight wasn't a threat to national security and attacked them for political reasons. I.e support for terrorist groups inside syria..

Gilly · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:37

NexusK said:
At the end of the day if we shared a border with Syria with the way things are right now we'd have shot it down too. You don't take chances when your next door neighbours are IS.

What if you are sympathetic to them, and have been giving them money hand over fist?

oulton · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:38

Turkey got butthurt because Russia destroyed ISIS oil refineries and the oil supply fleet on Monday with US help. This was their reaction to it. There are some very dirty hands in the Turk government, not least Erdogan.

RoboCod · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:45

Boycey0211 said:
also quoting e-goat as an RAF quote is akin to using any comment from here as UK foreign policy.

Majority of RAF don't use that site as its a joke.

Shivering with fear at turkey being in NATO?

We used turkish airbases as a staging point for op northern watch in Iraq since gulf war 1.

We used them to support op telic and herrick in more recent years in a logistics role.

I'd be expanding your understanding of NATO before worrying itchy tbh.

The US are using Turkish bases to fly from right now too.

George Hincapie · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:49

Harlequin said:
no they don't enter our airspace - the QRA lads meet them in international airspace.

if Newcastle was being overflown on a daily basis after ignoring radio calls, the RAF would shoot them down as well

Err...they do. Which is why I posted as I did. There were reports during the summer, linked ti from this forum, of Russian aircraft flying over Cornwall.

SS-89 · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:58

George Hincapie said:
Err...they do. Which is why I posted as I did. There were reports during the summer, linked ti from this forum, of Russian aircraft flying over Cornwall.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31530840

I suggest you check your facts before you make blanket statements. The mod stated the bear bombers never entered sovereign airspace. I can't remember a single instance where Russia has entered our airspace in the last few years. The fact we scramble jets when they fly close to our airspace should show you that it's not something we take lightly.

Firestar_3x · 25 Nov 2015 at 08:59

George Hincapie said:
Err...they do. Which is why I posted as I did. There were reports during the summer, linked ti from this forum, of Russian aircraft flying over Cornwall.

Care to find me some details of this?

Because:

RAF jets were scrambled on Wednesday after two Russian military aircraft were seen off the Cornwall coast, the Ministry of Defence has said.

The Russian Bear bombers did not enter sovereign airspace, it said.

As above.............

mid_gen · 25 Nov 2015 at 09:00

What a mess. The Russians and the Turks are effectively on opposite sides in Northern Syria, something like this was bound to happen eventually.

Exacerbated by the Turkmen militia committing a war crime by murdering one or both of the pilots.

I know Russia has been bringing back the fine art of brinkmanship recently...but really...there's no way on earth they genuinely thought the Russia bomber was a threat to Turkey.

Over Clocker · 25 Nov 2015 at 09:01

George Hincapie said:
Err...they do. Which is why I posted as I did. There were reports during the summer, linked ti from this forum, of Russian aircraft flying over Cornwall.

How many times do I need to say it, the did NOT enter British airspace!!

From the Mod "The Russian Bear bombers did not enter sovereign airspace, it said."