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RX 590 performance

It looks to be a bigger upgrade from the RX 580 than that was from the RX480. However, from what I understand, its launch price is even higher than the RX 580 at $279. It's been 2.5 years since the RX 480 was released and it simply isn't good enough to just keep bumping the clocks and bumping the price. For reference, the 8 GiB RX 580 can be had for $189 in the US right now.

I suppose it's the best we can expect right now but man that is depressing.
 
DragonQ said:
It looks to be a bigger upgrade from the RX 580 than that was from the RX480. However, from what I understand, its launch price is even higher than the RX 580 at $279. It's been 2.5 years since the RX 480 was released and it simply isn't good enough to just keep bumping the clocks and bumping the price. For reference, the 8 GiB RX 580 can be had for $189 in the US right now.

I suppose it's the best we can expect right now but man that is depressing.
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Indeed. It has been nearly 2 and a half years now since the 1000 series and since then there has barely been any shift in price/performance which is ridiculous.
 
Journey said:
I think for a mid-market card then the performance is fine, and for those new to PC gaming it makes a lot of sense, especially with the bundled games. Yes if you already own a 290X/390X/RX/480/RX580 then you this isn't an upgrade, but instead of whinging about it buy a GTX 1070 Ti or a Vega 56, as you are not going to see any faster cards in this price segment any time soon.

No doubt Nvidia will do the £329-349 GTX 2060, and will obviously be the replacement for the GTX 1070, and be slower than the GTX 1070, but faster than the GTX 1060, and they will launch the GTX 2050Ti at the £249 price point to compete, which will be a GTX 1060 +15%, thus completing the move up in brackets of the price for those card tiers. So the RX 590 will be stuck in the middle or on par, but with the games + freesync making it much more appealing.
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I bet they still only stick 6gb on the 2060 and 4gb on the 1050 as well. Which is becoming not enough.

Jono8 said:
Yes, but then why would anyone buy the used 480 for that price if that were the case? Surely people would just buy the 590 and sell the games, meaning it cost them the same as a used 480.
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I sold my XFX 480 only a few weeks ago for £132. They are holding their value pretty well. Playing at 2560x1080 it never really struggled with anything. If you offset it against the 3 games I got with the Vega64 it's cost me next to nothing over 2 years.
 
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Nasher said:
I bet they still only stick 6gb on the 2060 and 4gb on the 1050 as well. Which is becoming not enough.



I sold my XFX 480 only a few weeks ago for £132. They are holding their value pretty well. Playing at 2560x1080 it never really struggled with anything.
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This. I got £95 for a 2 1/2 year old 380 recently. I only paid £164 new.
 
Nasher said:
I sold my XFX 480 only a few weeks ago for £132. They are holding their value pretty well. Playing at 2560x1080 it never really struggled with anything.
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That wasn't my point. My point was that once the RX590 is out, anyone buying a used RX480 for the same price as they could get a new RX590, after selling the bundled games, is silly. So the premise that someone with a 480 could swap to a 590 for free is very much based on how lucky you get getting someone gullible/uninformed to buy the 480 for that price.

Obviously with the world being as it is, on reflection i guess the chances of that are pretty good :p
 
kola said:
i have a 980ti , thinking about a move to free-sync, worth it ?
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The instinct is to say no but it depends on what you have right now and what you're looking at getting, and also how much you'd get for the 980ti, as well as your expectations (in terms of FPS etc). So we'd need more info like that.
 
AMD shouldn't bother TBH. Nvidia is not doing anything that much under £300,ie,the GTX1050TI 4GB at upto £160 against the RX570 4GB/8GB,the GTX1060 3GB at £180 to £220 against RX580 4GB/8GB and AMD frequently gave away some good games too. If that does not work well AMD needs to redo their whole marketing approach. At least this is some performance bump under £300 and will keep the RX570/RX580 cards priced lower.

Nvidia OTH,could have made a GTX1060TI but instead made a GTX1060 GDDR5X with the same specs of the GTX1060 so they could re-use faulty GTX1080 cards.
 
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kola said:
i have a 980ti , thinking about a move to free-sync, worth it ?
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So seems like a 980ti and 590 will have similar-ish performance, though this is yet to be fully determined. Tomorrow will tell, I guess.

Freesync is generally £150-200 cheaper than G-sync.

You could sell your 980ti for £180ish, maybe more.

So freesync + 590 outlay would be ~ £250(RX590)+£200(cheap freesync)-£180 = £270

Gsync + keeping 980ti outlay would be £350-400(cheap gsync).

Personally getting a new card with a fresh warranty + freesync + saving a bit of money sounds like the better deal to me. But that's just me.
 
That AMD is bothering with 12nm Polaris suggests that there's quite a while to go yet before there is enough 7nm capacity to produce high volume GPUs (e.g. Navi). It is perhaps less business risk to bear the cost of a launch of RX 590 than it is to stand still with the current product line up until Navi is ready, especially as Nvidia's Pascal line-up is still selling really well.

willhub said:
Surely you can buy an RX480, overclock it, and magic you've got an RX590?
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It's not realistic to overclock an RX480 much above 1400MHz for normal use, and even then that's at a substantial bump in power draw and still well short of the RX590 stock boost clock.
 
AmateurExpert said:
That AMD is bothering with 12nm Polaris suggests that there's quite a while to go yet before there is enough 7nm capacity to produce high volume GPUs
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Given that Navi was never due until 2nd half of next year, and initial sampling of 7nm was successful enough to bring EPYC Rome and Vega 20 forward a few months, I'd say there was ample time for TSMC to ramp up volume.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It could be Navi was meant to be made on GF 7NM,but had to be done on TSMC 7NM? It might explain why AMD pushed out a refined Polaris GPU made on 12NM??
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Possibly, but nothing has suggested that Navi is delayed in any way. Personally it's more likely that Polaris 30 is a token product to satisfy the remnants of the wafer agreement with GloFo. If we had a full RX 600 series shifting to Polaris 30 then I'd be inclined to believe it was a proper product, but an RX 590 in isolation smacks of "give GloFo something to do on their 12nm to satisfy the lawyers".

That being said, if yields are good on their 12nm, perhaps all the 14nm components in Zen 2 could actually be spun out on 12nm instead (given it's a refined 14nm anyway). And 500 series motherboards too, especially as PCI-E 4 seems to need some additional engineering.
 
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