Ryzen "2" ?

[DragonQ]

On early developer platform X370 boards there was an option in BIOS to switch the IF ratio between half memory rate (what all Ryzen 1's are currently locked to) and 1:1. This was then subsequently removed from BIOS before retail boards were launched. This sounds like it will be a more refined version of that option, which would be a great help to those on low speed memory, but want to get the improved performance that comes with increasing the IF speed between CCX's.

I suspect having access to a 1:1 ratio is pretty useless for enthusiasts. If the chips could reliably run at 1:1 with high RAM speeds, they would be already. As you say, it might be useful for someone with 2133 MHz DDR4 but I doubt you're gonna be able to run 1:1 with 3466 MHz DDR4, for example. Making it actually tweakable with certain multipliers would be much more interesting.

P.S. I notice Silicon Lottery and planning to sell both R5 2600X and R7 2600X binned chips so we'll find out eventually what the overclock range is for them!

 

[eeek]

When you look at Intel reviews are the results you are looking at from before or after the Intel Spectre patches? If from before its possible that those chips are performing slower than they used to be.

 

[Zeed]

Let me shine some light on that.
If it actually works ITS GREAT !!!
I can run my ram faster but CPU's stability goes out of the window.

So in my case its 4ghz with ram at 3200cl14 3.95 3466cl15 or 3.95 3333cl14
That could be good upgrade in speed. Maybe could do 4ghz and 3600cl15

 

[Zeed]

At 5Ghz I would expect the 8700k to beat a ryzen 1 at 4.0Ghz at most things. But if they achieve 4.2Ghz+ the new chips should have a solid lead on anything that can use all 8 cores.

Thats the binned 5ghz 8pack score so for 16 thread workloads Ryzen 1 is still 150 points Ahead. Zen plus with 4.2 on all cores will deffo be faster. I Think 1950-2000 score range

 

[Mercutio]

ASRock X470 Taichi - $229 / ~£190 inc VAT noice!
That'll do me, needed the top end Taichi to be the right side of £200. Gibbo said "it's £10 either side of £220" but wouldn't say what. I assume mild scalping at the start will see it land at OcUK for £210. (? )

Edit: though the chip pricing is a bit... eh,

apparently:

Ryzen 7 2700X - £329.99
Ryzen 7 2700 - £259.99
Ryzen 5 2600X - £214.99
Ryzen 5 2600 - £174.99

based on hidden pre-order page on a popular retailer (mentioning no names).
Flagship "tax" is annoying. £40 jump from chip to chip till the top one, £70 jump...

Edit: Ahhh, it's the wraith spire RGB on the top one. £30 unicorn vomit tax.

 

[DarkHorizon472]

My 1700 does 1665 running at 3.7 with 3266c14 ram. With ram at 3200c14 1650.

 

[humbug]

When you look at Intel reviews are the results you are looking at from before or after the Intel Spectre patches? If from before its possible that those chips are performing slower than they used to be.

Current reviews would be before, coming Ryzen reviews, that's difficult to tell, Linus Torvalds let a cat out of the bag when he pointed out where Intel wanted to have those Windows patches set as off by default, i don't know if they got their way or not, it also depends on reviewers as to whether or not they deem it "fair" that Intel have these crippling patches but AMD don't, or arguments along those lines..... i can see all this being a bit muddy but ultimately in my view Intel's patching is if anything only going to make a small difference, so its not a big deal.

 

[humbug]

Edit, i had a Derp moment

 

[eeek]

Ryzen 7 2700X - £329.99
Ryzen 7 2700 - £259.99
Ryzen 5 2600X - £214.99
Ryzen 5 2600 - £174.99

If you compare those prices with the launch prices of the 1000 series they aren't bad at all. The 1600 at launch was £200, the 1700x was about £350 and that was without cooler - I'll ignore the fact its included when most here will buy a separate cooler.

 

[Ad_Augendae]

I get 1740 3200 cl14 @ 3.9 1800X
Best score I can manage on firestrike is https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15270671 I run the system 1000 points lower than that though. Air cooled.

 

[eeek]

Current reviews would be before, coming Ryzen reviews, that's difficult to tell, Linus Torvalds let a cat out of the bag when he pointed out where Intel wanted to have those Windows patches set as off by default, i don't know if they got their way or not, it also depends on reviewers as to whether or not they deem it "fair" that Intel have these crippling patches but AMD don't, or arguments along those lines..... i can see all this being a bit muddy but ultimately in my view Intel's patching is if anything only going to make a small difference, so its not a big deal.

Talking about a very large data centre I know a bit about the hit was between 15-20% on virtualized machines - which was a big enough deal that I had to redesign a complex batch process to meet the available timeframe.

 

[humbug]

Talking about a very large data centre I know a bit about the hit was between 15-20% on virtualized machines - which was a big enough deal that I had to redesign a complex batch process to meet the available timeframe.

Ok that's significant :O

The thing is tho, how will that translate into anything reviewers will test for? i suspect nothing, or little.

 

[Zeed]

ASRock X470 Taichi - $229 / ~£190 inc VAT noice!
That'll do me, needed the top end Taichi to be the right side of £200. Gibbo said "it's £10 either side of £220" but wouldn't say what. I assume mild scalping at the start will see it land at OcUK for £210. (? )

Edit: though the chip pricing is a bit... eh,

apparently:

Ryzen 7 2700X - £329.99
Ryzen 7 2700 - £259.99
Ryzen 5 2600X - £214.99
Ryzen 5 2600 - £174.99

based on hidden pre-order page on a popular retailer (mentioning no names).
Flagship "tax" is annoying. £40 jump from chip to chip till the top one, £70 jump...

Edit: Ahhh, it's the wraith spire RGB on the top one. £30 unicorn vomit tax.

Its CHEAP Paid like 325 without VATfor 1700x and had **** all instead of cooler !!! Water block was another 45 without vat.
If it came with cooler I'd had spare around or could sell it for few pounds

 

[humbug]

Yeah, my 65 Watt 1600 came with the Wraith Spire Cooler, the 1600X also comes with **** all yet the box cooler that came with mine is actually really good, its a quality heavy lump capable of cooling the CPU overclocked, not that i actually use mine.
I guess they figure if your spending the extra on the X you're getting your own cooler but if not you might like a box cooler that's actually of some quality and usable. Intel.... sorry

 

[Mercutio]

Its CHEAP Paid like 325 without VATfor 1700x and had **** all instead of cooler !!! Water block was another 45 without vat.
If it came with cooler I'd had spare around or could sell it for few pounds

true, true.
I'll be sticking mine up on the MM fairly quickly, going under water (currently AIO, will be custom/maybe monoblock).

 

[TrixP10]

Preorders?

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-2000-cpus-preorder/

 

[humbug]

What do we think about their new Prizm coolers?

I like the Rainbow RGB ring but i don't like the frosted clear fans, it makes the whole cooler look tacky, the solid black fans with the thin RGB ring looked more class.

 

[peahead]

That upgrade itch feeling is coming

Why are the shipping the X with a cooler

 

[HeX]

Yeah my 1700 @ 3.9 beats that cinebench score (~1730), so a 2700X at 4.2+ should demolish it.

Edit: though the chip pricing is a bit... eh,

apparently:

Ryzen 7 2700X - £329.99
Ryzen 7 2700 - £259.99
Ryzen 5 2600X - £214.99
Ryzen 5 2600 - £174.99

based on hidden pre-order page on a popular retailer (mentioning no names).
Flagship "tax" is annoying. £40 jump from chip to chip till the top one, £70 jump...

Edit: Ahhh, it's the wraith spire RGB on the top one. £30 unicorn vomit tax.

Gibbo already said that OCUK would be lower than those leaked prices.

 

[Mercutio]

I still suspect NDA is off on the 15th ready for the start of the week running up to launch.... only a hunch + (refuted ) checking.