Ryzen "2" ?

[TeraVirus]

Ok about NEW Crosshair VII motherboard
Raja:
No major change for overall 24/7 OC. Just some enhancements/changes that favor certain setups/usage:

1) VRM phase array changed from 8+4 to 10+2. Better thermal balance across power plane.

Thermal imaging tests were conducted with a Ryzen 7 2700X at 4.0 GHz with CPU Core Voltage at 1.43 V.
No other settings than CPU Core Ratio and CPU Core Voltage were changed in BIOS.
The system was then stressed with Prime95 29.1 Small FFTs 12k for at least 30 minutes.
CPU output power was 175W on both systems. Note that both boards are tested without heatsinks (see attatchments):

2) DRAM layout changed from T-Topology to daisy chain. Some advantages for 1DPC, but disadvantages for 2DPC. Obviously, there will be changes to decoupling as a result.

There are more, too, but Elmor and the reviewers can detail all of that stuff when it's time to do so.

Elmor:
There are small differences due to layout changes. C7H is better for 1 DIMM per channel (1DPC, 2x8GB/2x16GB) but only by 1-2 ratios (66-133 MHz), while C6H will reach higher frequency with 2DPC (4x8GB, 4x16GB).
Amount of capacitors for comparison of boards:

Just waiting for them to confirm that for Crosshair VII motherboard You want 2x16gb not 4x8 for beter numbers/performance.

That sucks, I already have 4x8GB ready to use. :/

 

[Zeed]

That sucks, I already have 4x8GB ready to use. :/

Well asked question waiting for Full answer. I assume its due to rework of power section of DDR VRM

As far as I know this was changed to reduce VRM noise that is occuring on C6H when pumping over 1.42 volts in to memory. It was giving Errors:


For more interested 1usmus has this topic to read. Explains how Ryzen 1 platform is all about balancing volts on hardvare for stability. More volts =/= stability when pushing maximum stable 24/7.
http://www.overclock.net/forum/26902089-post1334.html

 

[kitfit1]

That sucks, I already have 4x8GB ready to use. :/

Then if you have no Mobo yet, the C6H would be the better match for 4x8GB.

 

[mahius]

i need to upgrade my 4790K with my 1080ti. should i look at a ryzen 2 or wait for intel 9 series? just wait to alleviate my cpu bottleneck.

Don't upgrade just yet! Especially as we don't completely know how Ryzen 2 performs, wait for reviews. I had a 4790k till recently and it's still a great CPU, especially if you overclock it. Probably the biggest reason why I never went Ryzen when my 4790k died (was within warranty period, RMA didn't work out as it still booted to BIOS and was returned to me as 'working') was the RAM.

If you upgrade your 4790k, it'll also mean new motherboard and new, much more expensive RAM. If and when RAM prices become reasonable again, then I'll upgrade to Ryzen.

Speaking of which, how do the new Ryzen CPUs compare to i7-4790k? Both single-threaded and multi-threaded? I guess we won't know any of this information until the review embargo lifts. But if the Ryzen 2 CPUs destroy the 4790k... then yeah, by all means upgrade to Ryzen 2.

 

[TeraVirus]

Then if you have no Mobo yet, the C6H would be the better match for 4x8GB.

It's probably going to mean 1-2 fps less in games. I'd rather have the newer technology if I am buying new.

 

[humbug]

https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/04/review-amd-ryzen-7-2700x-x470/

Gaming looks vastly improved.

They all look very good for Ryzen 2 but if i was to pick one or two out it would be these, they are actually the two worst for Ryzen 2 but it says a lot. I think they are probably the most telling because they look least like a GPU bottleneck and OpenGL is quite low threaded so clock speed matters.

With that said i think it looks rather good for Ryzen 2, the 2700X is actually very similar to Coffeelake and Sktlake-X while also seeing a significant gain over the 1700X.

With that said this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, Ryzen 1 was never a million miles away from Coffeelake, this is pretty much all that was needed to bring Ryzen almost in line with Coffeelake and it looks like that's exactly whats happened.

 

[Hotwired]

Interesting that GamersNexus found different memory kits can have a huge impact on performance, even at the same speeds: up to 20% in AoTS, even at 1440p! Also note that the X470 boards suffer a large performance impact compared to X370 boards because of the immature BIOSs, so I would be wary of any reviews using early BIOSs.

https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/04/review-amd-ryzen-7-2700x-x470/

Gaming looks vastly improved.

Hah, one brags about avoiding the NDA so he can get an advantage over the staged NDA but feigns respect for the NDA date.

The other does exactly the same thing of paying someone off to get the gear early without a contract and is perfectly happy to screw the NDA and everyone abiding by it.

Careful what you encourage...

 

[Vimes]

Having seen the 2700x, and others, now up for pre order has anyone read when the X470 boards will be available to buy at the same time as the CPU...?

Whilst it might not be the best flavour it is what I have 2x8GB 3200 Corsair DDR4, probably Hynix, is that still likely to be an issue at 3200mhz or is it still speculation at this stage.
Memory pricing being what it is doesn't help if you feel the need to swap out memory just because of the chips and AMD's being fussy

 

[Zeed]

Hah, one brags about avoiding the NDA so he can get an advantage over the staged NDA but feigns respect for the NDA date.

The other does exactly the same thing of paying someone off to get the gear early without a contract and is perfectly happy to screw the NDA and everyone abiding by it.

Careful what you encourage...

As Steve says. Anyone that got their stuff from somewhere else than AMD he does not need 2 do any NDA ******** just test and thats it

 

[jigger]

As Steve says. Anyone that got their stuff from somewhere else than AMD he does not need 2 do any NDA ******** just test and thats it

I suppose it depends on how serious you are about reviewing hardware. BIOS and software might not be ready just yet.

 

[prjwebb]

They all look very good for Ryzen 2 but if i was to pick one or two out it would be these, they are actually the two worst for Ryzen 2 but it says a lot. I think they are probably the most telling because they look least like a GPU bottleneck and OpenGL is quite low threaded so clock speed matters.

With that said i think it looks rather good for Ryzen 2, the 2700X is actually very similar to Coffeelake and Sktlake-X while also seeing a significant gain over the 1700X.

With that said this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, Ryzen 1 was never a million miles away from Coffeelake, this is pretty much all that was needed to bring Ryzen almost in line with Coffeelake and it looks like that's exactly whats happened.

Using a 1070, stuff is going to start looking pretty similar. Turn down the settings or put a 1080ti in and we'll start seeing how things really compare.

 

[humbug]

Using a 1070, stuff is going to start looking pretty similar. Turn down the settings or put a 1080ti in and we'll start seeing how things really compare.

They used at 1070?

Well in that case i agree, its meaningless.

 

[Gregga]

Found a pre order on the X470 Taichi from another reputable source at £190, no date though for delivery. Cheaper than what I thought it would be at launch.

 

[prjwebb]

They used at 1070?

Well in that case i agree, its meaningless.

Yep

• ECI X470 motherboard with RGB's

• Memories G.Skill FlareX DDR4 @ 3200 MHz

• MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming Z

• Liquid cooling Corsair H80i GT

• Be Quiet Font! Dark Power Pro 11 1200W

• Adata SU900 256GB SSD

• SSD Corsair LX 512 GB

• Operating System Windows 10 64 bits

It's always worth reading properly before graphs and performance claims start getting chucked around...

 

[Zeed]

I suppose it depends on how serious you are about reviewing hardware. BIOS and software might not be ready just yet.

its been over a YEAR and 2 bugs have not yer been fixed on c6h. Guess can consider bios not ready the ??

 

[P4Clock]

Are the none X chips locked multi's

 

[humbug]

Are the none X chips locked multi's

No, none the Ryzen or Threadripper chips are locked.

 

[eddyr]

Hah, one brags about avoiding the NDA so he can get an advantage over the staged NDA but feigns respect for the NDA date.

The other does exactly the same thing of paying someone off to get the gear early without a contract and is perfectly happy to screw the NDA and everyone abiding by it.

Careful what you encourage...

My understanding is AMD didn't approach him with a sample for review at all. Under those circumstances he isn't avoiding an NDA at all, he just isn't subject to one. That if correct is a lot less conniving or devious

Now it's out in the wild that some ram can result in a gaming performance deficit of ~7%. I'd say AMD owe him a solid considering gaming is a weakness VS the competition!

 

[humbug]

As i understand it, He, whatever his name is at Gamers Nexus didn't get a Threadripper review sample, not that many did and he was not one of them, so he spat his dummy out at AMD, he's been trying to rebuild the relationship with AMD ever since, seems he hasen't managed it yet.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I saw this posted on HUKD of all places:

https://images.hotukdeals.com/comments/content/vD1sz/33636497.jpg

That is quite a good increase in clockspeeds even under heavy load(around 300MHZ~400MHZ).