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Ryzen "2" ?

In the meantime, if you run everything on auto (ie no DOCP profiles), it'll most likely default to 2133. You should still be able to use your PC normally for the most part until you sort out a ram change. Nowhere near rated speed, but it'll work at least.
 
In the meantime, if you run everything on auto (ie no DOCP profiles), it'll most likely default to 2133. You should still be able to use your PC normally for the most part until you sort out a ram change. Nowhere near rated speed, but it'll work at least.
The trouble with getting that ram posted above is it is £70 more to fork out, it seems like being robbed and asked to say thank you at prices that high.

Is there any cheaper sticks of 3200 2x8 that will work at that speed?
 
In the meantime, if you run everything on auto (ie no DOCP profiles), it'll most likely default to 2133. You should still be able to use your PC normally for the most part until you sort out a ram change. Nowhere near rated speed, but it'll work at least.
I can get it to 2800 at 16 18 18 something something, i already have ram that speed that i sold to get this ram.lol
 
I patiently await bios updates every damn day in the hope it solves it 250£ for ram is a joke
I managed to run the ramtest to 8000% plus with no errors but on the next day with same settings I get the BSOD! I think some auto voltage settings on the ryzen must cause a RAM to fail if the voltage changes to a certain value??. I have pretty much everything on auto except for PE3, voltage 1.35. ddr volt 1.37 memory at 3200.
Before the windows update that messed up my PC i managed to play around with other ram settings and stuff over a week and get it stable at 3333, that ran fine for over a week, hCI and Ramtest both did high % without errors.
Have to wait for the school holidays before I will have the time to play around with the settings again to get it fully stable. But hopefully in the meantime there will be a bios update that will let me run the docp settings stable without having to do anything else!
I also have the 8pack memory with a CH7.
Btw anyone else noticed their boot order changes sometimes when changing the PE setting?
 
Only tried PE3 once. Didn't end well. But then that was during my initial teething problems, so may not have been PE's fault. Always stuck to PE2, as that's what eveyone says to use.

What, if any gains do you see on PE3? Is it worth a bit of tinkering time?
 
I mean, there's the unfixable board layout; m.2 behind the GPU slot. It idles at 69 degrees during gaming in this weather, and throttles at 70. Soon as it hits a big loading spike, it'll tip over. Not what I wanted out of a 960 Pro at all :(

Then there's the awful bios... Memory is stuck just below 3000; it used to be higher on a previous bios, but last flash got it into a 30 minute boot loop. Now it claims to be the latest version, but doesn't have any of the new features it should have and I suspect if I try again it may just brick itself and die altogether. On top of that, it has savage overvolting if I touch the multiplier (like 1.55-1.6 vcore!), which is probably to "compensate" for it's lack of LLC. What sort of motherboard doesn't have LLC?? Either way it means zero overclocking for me.

On top of that the VRMs and VRM cooling are a joke, and this 1600X at stock while gaming is pushing 85 degrees on them. The SoC mosfets don't even have a heatsink on them :(

And I should have found out all of this before I bought it. My bad, and now I'm paying the price for my ignorance :( The months since have taught me a lot about how to identify a quality motherboard though, so at least it was a learning experience :p

So the board must be replaced, and it's making me consider replacing the CPU at the same time.

Regarding performance, I'm unfortunately that fringe case person who is always CPU limited even with a mediocre GPU. I like things like Kerbal Space Program (single thread), Stellaris (mostly single thread) and Cities Skylines (eats every available thread but gets capped by 1 heavy one). Whether it's the board or the CPU I'm unsure, but my 1600X is reluctant to XFR. It will touch 4.09 occasionally, but it seems to be little blips that show up in HWMonitor only. Pretty much any time I look it's sitting 3.67 with what I would have considered a single thread load.

Hence I'm now on the brink of going 8700K/8086K for a year or so. Moving from 3.7 to 5.0 would likely be more meaningful than gaining 2 cores with 4.2 boost clocks.

If Ryzen 3000 was sounding like it would deliver big clocks (or some IPC jumps) then I'd be willing to swap the board to something like a CH7H to solve the current thermal issues, see if it solved the memory speed, and feel happy that a next gen CPU would sit in it. But if we have no idea, then I've no real reason to wait and might as well get it done.

I have the model below this one https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aqua...-adapter-for-m.2-ngff-pcie-ssd-cc-003-aq.html (only £3 more than the older model below it) and it's excellent and keeps my m2 SM961 in the 30s in this weather. It may force your GPU to run at PCIE X8 due to lack of lanes though so check your manual. Alternatively, you can get something like this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ek-water-blocks-ek-m.2-nvme-heatsink-black-hs-001-ek.html which will still reduce temperatures by 10+ degrees. Do not remove the stickers from your drive when installing the thermal pads, they are actually made from thin metal and aid in heat transfer.

Does the board overvolt even when you enter a manual VCore?
 
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I was saying earlier in the thread that I couldn't get my b-die ram running at rated 3200 with a 2700X on the X370 Prime Pro.

Turns out reverting to the previous bios was all I needed to do - 4008 I think.

All running stable now.

I didn't get the crosshair vi from the MM due to a seller ****-up and was considering a x470 board but I think I'm just going to stick with what I have now. Maybe when boards with new feature come out I'll consider a move.

@opethdisciple

I spoke too soon. 3200 ram still isn't fully stable on the previous bios version.

I've got a good deal on a X370 Taichi though from the MM so I'm going to give that a go. I couldn't justify spending twice as much for a good X470 board.
 
What we are seeing here then is another form of silicon lottery. Not just CPU, but ram as well as mobo lottery.

Some people have the same mobo and ram and are fine at DOCP and beyond, whilst others can't even get DOCP working.

Me included.
 
Oh dear. That's the stuff I bought first off.
There are currently two types of DDR4 ram- Hynix and Samsung.
Ryzen doesn't seem to like Hynix ram. At all.

If it marked c14, it's Samsung. That stuff is c16 Hynix. I struggled to run it at anything over 2133, and it wasn't stable then either.
I had to bite the bullet and get the 8pack c14 kit. That dropped in at 3200 without a problem (well, until the last windows update, but I'm sure that's a temporary hiccup).

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...

Thanks for the head's up about the ram for ryzen.
 
...(justified grievances)...

There's a reason I've flipped my coat to be blue-side-out for a bit. I must have got the worst board+CPU in the warehouse, didn't feel like throwing good money after bad given that nobody wanted to make a motherboard that I wanted. Least I could keep the RAM. Literally everything "just works" on the new rig. One bluescreen during tuning/stability tests on day 1, solid in actual use for 2 days since. Dumps way less heat out the top vent too, can't understand why or how but it's welcome in this weather!

I would wholeheartedly recommend Ryzen to anyone who does videos, rendering, or streaming and who will actually buy an 8-core model or TR. Absolutely the right choice, especially on a premium motherboard for 3000 next year. For anyone else, it's either because their budget is tight or they just plain enjoy tinkering. The amount of fuss required to optimise it was horrible, and it never did get the b-die memory to full speed :(
 
I know everyone like's to make the most of their hardware - but it's worth looking at the actual gain made beyond 2993 ram speed - a jump beyond 2667 to 2993 yields about twice as much perf compared to going from 2993 to 3200 - and each jump after that yields half as much perf again - and that's at the same CAS latency.

Many perf gains can be had be actuaĺly going for lower memory clocks with tighter timings rather than the headline mhz figure of mem spèed.

This is not the way many of us are used too after years on the Intel platforms - but performance in the apps and games you use is the thing to be chasing - not some headline memory speed figure.

My main TR system perform's better in games at 2800 c13 than at 3200 c15 - Ryzen is not that disimerler; I'd rather have the frames and smother more consistent perf than a headline clock that means very little - this is an overclocking centric forum, I know that many of you will disagree - but outside of some banchmarks these differences can be less than trivial in real world use, and the extra cores more than make up for the sometime's insane mhz figures we are used to

My 2p

Edit: I have Ryzen systems at home as well as TR, my fastest machine for data processing came from a system at 2667 c12 for running some ML jobs, same perf pretty much as same jobs run at 3200 C16 on memory intensive workloads!
 
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I spoke too soon. 3200 ram still isn't fully stable on the previous bios version.

I've got a good deal on a X370 Taichi though from the MM so I'm going to give that a go. I couldn't justify spending twice as much for a good X470 board.

I have an X470 board and the docp at 3200 does not work either. As someone mentioned above it seems like it might be a lottery of RAM+MOBO+CPU now lol.
 
Works fine for me, using Ryzan 2700X with OcUK 8pack Team Group 16GB. Asus X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero.

In fact, I've bumped to 1.37v and I can run 3600MHz at C14.

I did try at stock volts but I got random BSOD.

Bios auto-overclocking is on, if that makes any odds. Although I might tweak it because the max core volts recorded by HWM were 2.080v...! Averages around 1.38v.

Peak core clocks on all 8 cores was ~4.4GHz. Stock cooler.
 
Works fine for me, using Ryzan 2700X with OcUK 8pack Team Group 16GB. Asus X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero.

In fact, I've bumped to 1.37v and I can run 3600MHz at C14.

I did try at stock volts but I got random BSOD.

Bios auto-overclocking is on, if that makes any odds. Although I might tweak it because the max core volts recorded by HWM were 2.080v...! Averages around 1.38v.

Peak core clocks on all 8 cores was ~4.4GHz. Stock cooler.

You got 4.4Ghz on all 8 cores at the same time? I highly doubt it. Use HWiNFO for monitoring, HWMonitor reports some incorrect values.
 
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