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Ryzen "2" ?

Gerard said:
Weren't you talking about bad fps in bf1 a while ago on certain maps?
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I haven't got an i5 8400

And it wasn't about certain maps, it was about the game in general, plays great at times, plays **** other times.

humbug said:
Only if don't overclock.

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And how much faff do you have to go through to get a stable overclock and how much extra do you need to spend on good ram + mb + a good cooler to get it to 4.2ghz???

Pretty sure a video was posted about this a while ago and the verdict was, it wasn't worth the extra money nor the faff.
 
Nexus18 said:
I haven't got an i5 8400

And it wasn't about certain maps, it was about the game in general, plays great at times, plays **** other times.
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Are you still on a 4 Core?



Nexus18 said:
And how much faff do you have to go through to get a stable overclock and how much extra do you need to spend on good ram + mb + a good cooler to get it to 4.2ghz???

Pretty sure a video was posted about this a while ago and the verdict was, it wasn't worth the extra money nor the faff.
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You're better to clock the ram up rather than the cpu, getting a motherboard to support at least 3200mhz isn't hard.
 
I have a mini-ITX rig and the Intel stock cooler is meh,especially the crap plastic push pins,which are great until you want to take the thing out to clean out dust or re-apply thermal compound,and the plastic securement tabs tend to weaken over time. Looking at the AMD stock coolers then are just better now since they are secured by metal screws,so its much easier to maintain them.

Also I was seriously considering the Core i5 8400 for FO4(but probably realistically need an overclocked Core i5 8600K and fast RAM),but for RAW batch conversions to jpg/DNGs using DXO,it actually is much faster on the Ryzen 5 2600/2600X at stock clockspeeds,and even Photoshop CC seems not massively different between the sub £200 Core i5 8400/8500 and the Ryzen 5 2600/2600X so I seem to be edging towards the Ryzen 5 now,especially since the poor old Xeon E3 was starting to struggle a bit when converting stuff! :(
 
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Idk if is been posted, but here is a benchmark comparison on the 2700X between W10 and Linux (various distros)

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-2700x-winlin&num=1

Some results are completely bonkers like these ones

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True, there is ONE benchmark that Windows 10 wins out of dozens... Solitaire..... :rolleyes:
 
Gerard said:
Are you still on a 4 Core?
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Yup still rocking an i5 750 @ 4GHz :D

Was looking at the ryzen 2600 but I hate faffing about with stability etc. and the i5 8400 whilst stunning for purely gaming and bang per buck, it isn't future proof. The 9000 is looking tempting though......

Saying that, I'm still reluctant to upgrade as it is only BF 1 that would get a good performance boost by the looks of things and even then, this is only because DICE have ****** up with the CPU optimisations and essentially putting band aids over issues with every new patch which just adds more load to the CPU. BF 5 "alpha" ran a hundred times better than BF 1.
 
Nexus18 said:
Yup still rocking an i5 750 @ 4GHz :D

Was looking at the ryzen 2600 but I hate faffing about with stability etc. and the i5 8400 whilst stunning for purely gaming and bang per buck, it isn't future proof. The 9000 is looking tempting though......

Saying that, I'm still reluctant to upgrade as it is only BF 1 that would get a good performance boost by the looks of things and even then, this is only because DICE have ****** up with the CPU optimisations and essentially putting band aids over issues with every new patch which just adds more load to the CPU. BF 5 "alpha" ran a hundred times better than BF 1.
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I am not sure what you are going on about - mates have done plenty of Ryzen builds and there has been really no faffing about. Most of the people here who have issues are trying to run the memory controller out of spec(above 2933MHZ on 12NM Ryzen) or trying to push overclocks. If I do end up with a Ryzen 5 2600 it will be at stock in a mini-ITX motherboard,probably with bog standard RAM,since the RAM cartel can clear off with their stupid pricing.

Also the 9000 series for the most part are rebrands upto the Core i7. So the Core i3 and Core i5 CPUs are exactly the same core counts - the Core i7 equivalents have gone from 6C/12T to 8C/8T,and its most likely the 8C/16T variants will be another pricing tier.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I am not sure what you are going on about - mates have done plenty of Ryzen builds and there has been really no faffing about. Most of the people here who have issues are trying to run the memory controller out of spec(above 2933MHZ on 12NM Ryzen) or trying to push overclocks. If I do end up with a Ryzen 5 2600 it will be at stock in a mini-ITX motherboard,probably with bog standard RAM,since the RAM cartel can clear off with their stupid pricing.

Also the 9000 series for the most part are rebrands upto the Core i7. So the Core i3 and Core i5 CPUs are exactly the same core counts - the Core i7 equivalents have gone from 6C/12T to 8C/8T,and its most likely the 8C/16T variants will be another pricing tier.
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I know from first hand experience, both, builds for clients as well as friends and family, there has been a lot of faffing about just to get the RAM running stable, even at its advertised speeds.

You just have to look at this forum to see the amount of issues people have with ryzen builds, heck, just look on ocuk discord, so many people there moved from ryzen builds back to intel just for peace of mind.

If you're someone like me who now just wants to assemble a build and hit the power button and be done with it then this is where intel is still king. I would love to go AMD but as it is, I need to see more reports of people not having to faff with settings to get "advertised" speeds.
 
Nexus18 said:
I know from first hand experience, both, builds for clients as well as friends and family, there has been a lot of faffing about just to get the RAM running stable, even at its advertised speeds.

You just have to look at this forum to see the amount of issues people have with ryzen builds, heck, just look on ocuk discord, so many people there moved from ryzen builds back to intel just for peace of mind.

If you're someone like me who now just wants to assemble a build and hit the power button and be done with it then this is where intel is still king. I would love to go AMD but as it is, I need to see more reports of people not having to faff with settings to get "advertised" speeds.
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TBH,I don't seem to share that experience although as usually YMMV - mates have done quite a few builds including ones I helped with. The biggest faff was looking at the RAM compatability lists and avoiding dual ranked Hynix stuff. So far all the builds are fine,and that includes the loads I helped online with. ALL the people I know who had issues have been trying to push past default speeds for the CPU which are 2666MHZ for Ryzen 1 and 2933MHZ for Ryzen 2.

Anything over that is overclocking the memory controller which even Intel does not officially support either. Is Intel better at overclocked memory controllers,sure,but like overclocking to 5GHZ,Intel can do that. So if maximum overclocks are your game,then Intel is where it is. Plus if you are running games based on certain older engines,again Intel tends to be a better choice(think Fallout 4 which I play).

However you are conflating unofficial higher speed RAM support with "faffing around" - look at most Ryzen and Intel prebuilt PCs and laptops in the realworld. CFL default is 2666MHZ,which is why Dell has their normal systems running at 2666MHZ too and these are mass produced.

Most worked related or non-gaming Intel build I have done in the last few years,has been with stock clocked memory controllers,since if you go past default settings you do need to test for stability,as its no different from overclocking the CPU core.

Plus I know zero people who have changed a Ryzen system for an Intel one,but then there are people here who ditched perfectly fine Haswell ones for Ryzen systems,and then Ryzen systems for CFL ones,etc. But then this is an enthusiasts overclocking forum where people will ditch a Ryzen system since their 4000MHZ RAM can only do 3200MHZ,or if SuperPI is 8% faster on the latest Intel.

Also your CPU is so old,you are probably worrying too much and I find it weird you have it overclocked and then think overclocking Ryzen is a cause for concern or a Core i5 8400 won't be futureproof enough. I don't overclock generally and value stability - look at the CPU in my sig.

Even a Core i5 8400 or Ryzen 5 2600 with 2133MHZ/2400MHZ RAM will probably be quicker.

Then you mention 8 core Intel CPUs which will be priced significantly higher,ie,over £250,ie,probably £300 to £350. Its quite obvious a Core i5 8400 or Ryzen 5 will be beaten quite easily by the 8C/8T Intel CPUs.

But TBH if you intend to keep a CPU 8 to 9 years,then perhaps getting an 8C/8T Core i7 9700 might be justifiable anyway. I certainly would! :p
 
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I overclocked my i5 750 back when I didn't mind faffing and messing around but now I just don't have the time nor the patience for such things :p

No doubt, anything, even probably an i3 would be better than what I have :o But as you attested to, whatever I get will probably last me for another 6/7+ years.

Oh and certainly not going to look at the 9700k or higher, it will be once again, the 9500k or even the 9400 replacements and I meant more for dropping current gen prices.

I suppose when the i5 8400 does get on a bit, I could always just drop in an i7 8700k down the line. As for it not being future proof, I just mean with regards to it being limited to 4GHz (and no way to overclock it)

Other reason intel would be better for me is that I game on my 120HZ OLED and intend to get a 144HZ+ monitor at some point in the future.
 
humbug said:
Rainforest best sellers.
Its been like this for a little while now, i think August may have AMD outselling Intel again.

UK. Ryzen 5 2600 #1

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US. 7 out of 10 best sellers are AMD.

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Processors/zgbs/computers/430515031
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/pc/229189
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How accurate is this? I remember the rainforest having the 8700k as a best seller before it was even released and no pre order was available.....
 
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