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I've found the latest bios to be far more stable as well. A definite improvement.
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Ryzen "2" ?
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I've found the latest bios to be far more stable as well. A definite improvement.
About 15 degrees in the room
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Seems Zen 2 will be using TSMC's 7nm HPC and not the low power version: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/9bxw21/zen_2_uses_tsmcs_7nm_n7_hpc_rather_than_soc/
If true we should see some good clock speeds from this, possibly similar to Intel's.
If true we should see some good clock speeds from this, possibly similar to Intel's.
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The only issue is profit margins. A Ryzen 1/2 chip(let) costs around $30, with the full TR/EPYC going around $140 total BOM.
TSMC 7nm costs more than double that ($70-80) so full TR/EPYC cost would go north of $300 in BOM.
And while due to different power spec, and leakage, more likely going to see 5Ghz+ Ryzen CPUs, on the other hand with a 16 core chiplet (used on 64 core EPYC) going to be tough to achieve, even if there is a cut down chiplet on the mainstream market and we don't see 16 core CPU on AM4.
Only if AMD moves the current Ryzen 2 (8 core) chiplet straight to 7nm we might say with certainty that is going to "drain the lakes"
Yet who knows.
And lets not forget, that we might see an 8 core APU...... that going to be truly EPYC
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They are not state secrets.
The only issue is profit margins. A Ryzen 1/2 chip(let) costs around $30, with the full TR/EPYC going around $140 total BOM.
TSMC 7nm costs more than double that ($70-80) so full TR/EPYC cost would go north of $300 in BOM.
And while due to different power spec, and leakage, more likely going to see 5Ghz+ Ryzen CPUs, on the other hand with a 16 core chiplet (used on 64 core EPYC) going to be tough to achieve, even if there is a cut down chiplet on the mainstream market and we don't see 16 core CPU on AM4.
Only if AMD moves the current Ryzen 2 (8 core) chiplet straight to 7nm we might say with certainty that is going to "drain the lakes"
Yet who knows.
And lets not forget, that we might see an 8 core APU...... that going to be truly EPYC
I was thinking about this the other night. 7nm could open up a many possibilities to AMD. Ryzen based phones/pocket sized systems with USB-C would be amazeballs.
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True but look at consoles potentials also, especially if you consider that at 16nm the PS4Pro can pull so much graphic power, with a 8 core Jaguar (Intel Atom in comparison) and a GPU less powerful than the RX470.
(XboneX uses same CPU and RX580 GPU still at 16nm).
We might have next gen consoles beating the crap of medium-top range PCs. Not low end ones only.
Yeah I expect the next Playstation and Xbox will be incredible machines.
Seems hot to me that for idle , Not sure what the difference is between ryzen 1 and 2
Have a 1700x @ 3.9 here with the room at 24 deg and mine is at 31.
Admittedly I have a custom loop.
R7 1700 @ 3.8Ghz with 1.3v LLC3 cooled by a Noctua D15 and it sits at around 40C in idle, temp in room also around 24C. I hace global C-States disabled and that might make a difference.
Seems to be a normal temp for overclocked 8 core Ryzen.
Seems to be a normal temp for overclocked 8 core Ryzen.
I think I can get it much lower, I've realised I've not put the stock cooler on the right way round (AMD sign covering one of the RAM slots, D'oh!)
Would the standard Artic thermal paste be alright?
I've over locked it slightly and it was comfort Aly stress testing at 3.6ghz at 1.175 volts, 78 degrees though
Would the standard Artic thermal paste be alright?
I've over locked it slightly and it was comfort Aly stress testing at 3.6ghz at 1.175 volts, 78 degrees though
Stock cooler orientation shouldn't make a difference since it's top down. Any thermal paste should be fine, I'd recommend Thermal Grizzly or Noctua (doesn't dry up) if you don't already have one.
78C with 3.6Ghz 1.175v seems about right with the stock cooler.
78C with 3.6Ghz 1.175v seems about right with the stock cooler.
Much easier to do when you have a specific spec to work with, no real Os\APi overhead, and not have to account for lower end hardware. Plus pc games work at the res you set the game at, console games can alter res on the fly for performance reasons, so a game running at 4k on a xbox 1 x might only run at 4k half the time you play it.
I'd say only update the BIOS if you're experiencing issues. If you're fine and stable then there's not really much of a point in upgrading, maybe wait it out for a few months until a few more versions come out and update those.
