Ryzen "2" ?

Grandmaster Fap! · 25 Sep 2018 at 10:00

TNA said:
I would definitely wait. They are moving to 7nm so there should be a huge jump in performance!

Ah too late, just got a 2700x BUT i did get it at bargain price, getting an x470 mobo so i should be ok for the new chips in the future?

chroniclard · 25 Sep 2018 at 10:15

2800X seems a bit pointless if true, no way in hell its going to clock fast enough to compete with the 8700k let alone a 9900k.

2700X is fine at the moment, be 6 months at least before 7nm and can just drop one in later anyway.

TNA · 25 Sep 2018 at 11:02

Grandmaster Fap! said:
Ah too late, just got a 2700x BUT i did get it at bargain price, getting an x470 mobo so i should be ok for the new chips in the future?

I should be fine as far as I understand.

Though there are rumors the new boards might have pci-4 which would be nice

Boot_Loop · 28 Sep 2018 at 00:06

Grandmaster Fap! said:
Ah too late, just got a 2700x BUT i did get it at bargain price, getting an x470 mobo so i should be ok for the new chips in the future?

2700X is a beast out of the box, doesn't need overclocking and at worst case scenario (1080 Ti benching at 1080p) it's only 7% slower than a 8700K in gaming. SEVEN percent. Despite all the noise, it's a really fast gaming chip and smacks the 8700K around in multithreaded workloads.

Grandmaster Fap! · 28 Sep 2018 at 10:03

Cheers guys, quite looking forward to going back AMD after using Intel for ten years, hopefully its painless and doesnt put me off for another ten

w00dy85 · 28 Sep 2018 at 10:33

Is it worth swapping my 6700k @ 4.7, I game at 1440 and also use VR.II was thinking of a 2700x or wait for the new Intel chips and hopping a 2800x comes out.

It's WMR I use for VR.

Drollic · 28 Sep 2018 at 10:42

w00dy85 said:
Is it worth swapping my 6700k @ 4.7, I game at 1440 and also use VR.II was thinking of a 2700x or wait for the new Intel chips and hopping a 2800x comes out.

It's WMR I use for VR.

Pointless. Wait for zen2 and possible pcie4 or the new Intel chips. Even 2800x would be pointless at 10 core, just not fast enough single core compared to what you have.

SiDeards73 · 28 Sep 2018 at 13:23

w00dy85 said:
Is it worth swapping my 6700k @ 4.7, I game at 1440 and also use VR.II was thinking of a 2700x or wait for the new Intel chips and hopping a 2800x comes out.

It's WMR I use for VR.

Pointless upgrading to 2700X right now with 7nm Ryzen about 6 months away, also if your playing VR stuff and basically just gaming 24/7 why not look at the Intel 8600 instead? that offers great single threaded perf, if you want more cores then the 8700k or 8086k is probably ideal.

As someone who uses an 8c /16t CPU dont bother swapping unless your workload on your PC cries out for more cores, so unless you do stuff thats going to require more cores the 2700X right now is just not worth it.

I think currently Intel beats AMD at VR? im not 100% certain as i dont use VR myself, i would imagine choice of GPU is also extremely important? might be worth trading up your 1080 for a 1080ti for more VR performance while you hold out to see what the 7nm refresh of Zen brings.

w00dy85 · 28 Sep 2018 at 14:30

I think I will wait for Ryzen 2, my system doesn't struggle with any games I play and I think it's just the upgrade itch. After having my CPU 3 years

Thanks for the replies.

Robert896r1 · 28 Sep 2018 at 15:41

Hi, I recently got a 2080ti (installing it tonight) that will replace a 980ti. However the rest of my PC is going to likely choke it's potential greatly:
- 2600k @ 4.6ghz
- 16GB 1600mhz RAM

I've mainly bought it for simracing with a Rift (soon to be Odyssey) and I'd like to keep the FPS above 90fps which is critical when wanting a smooth experience in multiplayer racing. The current experience is poor as it drops to 45fps or lower right away. I'm afraid my CPU is going to hold me back so I now have to decide on what direction I take.

Do I buy a Ryzen and will it be a notable upgrade for simracing gaming?
Do I buy a 9900k and associated parts?

I know I can wait for 7nm in 6months+ but that's a lot of time so I rather have something in the next month or so. If I should repost this somewhere else, please let me know.

beany_bot · 28 Sep 2018 at 15:50

Robert896r1 said:
Hi, I recently got a 2080ti (installing it tonight) that will replace a 980ti. However the rest of my PC is going to likely choke it's potential greatly:
- 2600k @ 4.6ghz
- 16GB 1600mhz RAM

I've mainly bought it for simracing with a Rift (soon to be Odyssey) and I'd like to keep the FPS above 90fps which is critical when wanting a smooth experience in multiplayer racing. The current experience is poor as it drops to 45fps or lower right away. I'm afraid my CPU is going to hold me back so I now have to decide on what direction I take.

Do I buy a Ryzen and will it be a notable upgrade for simracing gaming?
Do I buy a 9900k and associated parts?

I know I can wait for 7nm in 6months+ but that's a lot of time so I rather have something in the next month or so. If I should repost this somewhere else, please let me know.

I don't think a Ryzen will see any improvement over an overclocked 2600k. Esspecially in a Rift at Rift resolutions. That will work even your 2080Ti hard.

Robert896r1 · 28 Sep 2018 at 15:55

beany_bot said:
I don't think a Ryzen will see any improvement over an overclocked 2600k. Esspecially in a Rift at Rift resolutions. That will work even your 2080Ti hard.

So stick with intel and wait on 9900k performance figures?

As you can see from my old system, outside of changing GPU's I rather build once and leave it for 5+ years so I'm hoping for a similar experience.

Aretak · 29 Sep 2018 at 00:57

Robert896r1 said:
So stick with intel and wait on 9900k performance figures?

As you can see from my old system, outside of changing GPU's I rather build once and leave it for 5+ years so I'm hoping for a similar experience.

You really need to do some objective measurements, rather than just guessing at what's going on. There's no point spending a ton of money based on a hunch. MSI Afterburner's overlay apparently works with the Rift, so download that, turn on all the GPU/CPU usage stats in the overlay and it should be quite obvious quite quickly where the bottleneck lies in the things you play. There's no such thing as a universal performance bottleneck unless you're pairing wildly-mismatched components (like a Core 2 Duo and a 1080 Ti), so it's important to know how your hardware is performing and interacting in the software you use.

chrcoluk · 29 Sep 2018 at 11:12

Robert896r1 said:
Hi, I recently got a 2080ti (installing it tonight) that will replace a 980ti. However the rest of my PC is going to likely choke it's potential greatly:
- 2600k @ 4.6ghz
- 16GB 1600mhz RAM

I've mainly bought it for simracing with a Rift (soon to be Odyssey) and I'd like to keep the FPS above 90fps which is critical when wanting a smooth experience in multiplayer racing. The current experience is poor as it drops to 45fps or lower right away. I'm afraid my CPU is going to hold me back so I now have to decide on what direction I take.

Do I buy a Ryzen and will it be a notable upgrade for simracing gaming?
Do I buy a 9900k and associated parts?

I know I can wait for 7nm in 6months+ but that's a lot of time so I rather have something in the next month or so. If I should repost this somewhere else, please let me know.

I would wait till you actually use the card first, and then see if a bottleneck even happens.

If it does consider either a ryzen or a NON HTT intel cpu such as a 8600k or 9700k, HTT is a waste of money for gaming unless you also stream using software encoding (unusual practice). I know it gives you bragging rights for thread count but for practical purposes its bad bang for buck.

Robert896r1 · 29 Sep 2018 at 23:54

Aretak said:
You really need to do some objective measurements, rather than just guessing at what's going on. There's no point spending a ton of money based on a hunch. MSI Afterburner's overlay apparently works with the Rift, so download that, turn on all the GPU/CPU usage stats in the overlay and it should be quite obvious quite quickly where the bottleneck lies in the things you play. There's no such thing as a universal performance bottleneck unless you're pairing wildly-mismatched components (like a Core 2 Duo and a 1080 Ti), so it's important to know how your hardware is performing and interacting in the software you use.

chrcoluk said:
I would wait till you actually use the card first, and then see if a bottleneck even happens.

If it does consider either a ryzen or a NON HTT intel cpu such as a 8600k or 9700k, HTT is a waste of money for gaming unless you also stream using software encoding (unusual practice). I know it gives you bragging rights for thread count but for practical purposes its bad bang for buck.

The bottleneck is real. I'll just link here instead of a big long c/p job: https://www.racedepartment.com/thre...ful-graphics-card.158165/page-10#post-2837425

So far, the CPU is so far out of it's league that you get massive jumps in framerate in games if the game decide to use the CPU in anger. This card is wasted on older systems. Not that this would be a shock to many on here but if other people's google searches brings them here perhaps they can be more aware.

The next gen of intel CPU's need to get there fast...

BTVA · 1 Oct 2018 at 01:25

1.38v DRAM + 1.1275v SOC Voltage, timming is not tweaked fully but 3800Mhz seems alright. RAM is patriot viper 3733 cas 17.

SupraWez · 1 Oct 2018 at 07:05

4.3Ghz and 3800 memory, how stable is it :eek:

BTVA · 1 Oct 2018 at 08:25

It crashed 10 mins after I created that post lol

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 1 Oct 2018 at 10:10

BTVA said:
1.38v DRAM + 1.1275v SOC Voltage, timming is not tweaked fully but 3800Mhz seems alright. RAM is patriot viper 3733 cas 17.

I went for the Asus ROG B450 mini-ITX motherboard,as the MSI seems out of stock at most retailers now,and I wanted the top mounted M.2 slot too. It will be interesting to see how it goes with RAM - I ordered the 3200MHZ TUF branded RAM,although I have some 2400MHZ C14 Corsair stuff with Micron memory modules too.

BTVA · 1 Oct 2018 at 11:40

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I went for the Asus ROG B450 mini-ITX motherboard,as the MSI seems out of stock at most retailers now,and I wanted the top mounted M.2 slot too. It will be interesting to see how it goes with RAM - I ordered the 3200MHZ TUF branded RAM,although I have some 2400MHZ C14 Corsair stuff with Micron memory modules too.

I haven't tested the Asus ITX one but I have seen it did 3800 on at least 3 dies, Samsung B-die (obviously), Hynix C-Die and Micron 3rd gen die.