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The location, existing shipping routes, local tax laws, size of market, currency conversion etc all do play a part though.
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RYZEN 5000 SERIES NOW ONLINE - 5950X, 5900X, 5800X & 5600X COMING NOV 5TH AT 5PM **NO COMPETITORS**
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The location, existing shipping routes, local tax laws, size of market, currency conversion etc all do play a part though.
Oh I'm sure some did. But when you consider that all the review sites and tech tubers and forums and - everyone! - was saying how bad the X was (vfm) and that you should buy the non-X instead...
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I bought a x version was on offer though think there was a tenner difference at the time I've also bought a 3600 non x
Well that's fair enough. But for the most part the X was sufficiently more expensive (and the XT was like £100 more expensive) to make the decision a no brainer.
Don't take my word for it, go check out the review sites, places like Gamer's Nexus, etc, who all said the X SKU was one to avoid.
So if anyone was paying attention and didn't live somewhere where the X SKU was basically the same price, they would have gone with the non-X (for the most part).
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Yeh never bought the xt version I'd agree with that is a rip off the 3600x was on a well known site
Im assuming the 5600 will be faster than the i5 so is it unreasonable for it to be priced higher? Why would they price it at less if its a better product?
If you complaint is there isnt a cheaper non-x version thats fine, but Im not sure it makes the price of the X version a joke.
Doesn’t look like no one was buying 3600X and 3800X to that fact to me. 3600 and 3700x get bulk of the sales. But decent portion are still those chips considered “as not as valuable”.
the chart is taken from a German retail who sells to DIY market. So quite representative of what is being discussed in the forum here.
rip off hardly, you are getting “supposed gaming CPU” with the latest features for relatively similar price as an aging intel equivalent on a platform that doesn’t not require you to buy new motherboard.
better value for money sure. But that will come when the chip has been around for some time.
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Benjii said:
Mr Oblong said:
Yup I'm looking to potentially downgrade my core count from a 3900 to a 5800X if the extra performance in gaming warrants such a move.
The 3600X is sandwiched between the dark red of the 3700X and the lighter red of the 3600 non-X. The order is the same as the legend.
Doesn’t look like no one was buying 3600X and 3800X to that fact to me. 3600 and 3700x get bulk of the sales. But decent portion are still those chips considered “as not as valuable”.
the chart is taken from a German retail who sells to DIY market. So quite representative of what is being discussed in the forum here.
rip off hardly, you are getting “supposed gaming CPU” with the latest features for relatively similar price as an aging intel equivalent on a platform that doesn’t not require you to buy new motherboard.
better value for money sure. But that will come when the chip has been around for some time.
The amount of 3600X chips sold is tiny compared to the 3600! Really, really tiny... Look at July to October on your own chart!
Not literally "nobody" but that chart actually shows clearly how awful the 3600X was, and the sales were too
The chart shows 3600X sales spiking in Nov and Dec before dropping again - I can only assume they had a promotion on 3600X during those months.
I really don't see that chart as evidence for anything other than consumers flocking to both the 3700X and the 3600 non-X. They are about 1/2 the total sales in just two SKUs!
And funnily enough these are the SKUs missing from the 5000 series.
AMD is gambling on upselling us all to higher margin products. A big gamble.
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I'm wondering should I get then 5950x or the 5900x and put the saving towords a better gpu.
Depends if you do stuff that uses the extra cores, if not get the 5900x.
I would say you are twisting facts even tho it is starring at you.The 3600X is sandwiched between the dark red of the 3700X and the lighter red of the 3600 non-X. The order is the same as the legend.
The amount of 3600X chips sold is tiny compared to the 3600! Really, really tiny... Look at July to October on your own chart!
Not literally "nobody" but that chart actually shows clearly how awful the 3600X was, and the sales were too
The chart shows 3600X sales spiking in Nov and Dec before dropping again - I can only assume they had a promotion on 3600X during those months.
I really don't see that chart as evidence for anything other than consumers flocking to both the 3700X and the 3600 non-X. They are about 1/2 the total sales in just two SKUs!
And funnily enough these are the SKUs missing from the 5000 series.
AMD is gambling on upselling us all to higher margin products. A big gamble.
you have taken the initial few months from launch of the zen2, yes, 3600 vs 3600X is around 10:1. I cant remember if there is a supply or availability issue at the time regarding the higher clocked chips which could have impacted those sales. but look at the sales figurees in Nov, Dec, & Jan those represent a singificant amount of units. monthly recovery from 10:1 to 3:1 is pretty big swing. this recovery is also highly likely to reflect more discounting on the higher priced parts and thus bringing better value for them. A quick adding of 3600x off those 3 months would mean they are being sold around 8000-9000 units between those months. those numbers is enough to wipe out any monthly figures of 3600 in any of the proceeding months. so that is by no way a small quantum or TINY. even @ an overall 10:1 ratio it is quite significant for instance compared with intel CPUs sold. the fair statement would be 3600 is more popular due to the value it represent which has yielded to more value focused consumer flocking to buy 3600 as opposed to 3600X. i think this is what you are trying to say but doing it was some extremity.
AMD's decision not to bring out 5600 and 5700x right now is probably becuase they dont feel they need to compete with intel on price anymore as I said, to upgrade to Zen3 you can do it in socket as opposed to the LGA1200 socket and new new chipset. overall AMD probably thinks they are still offering significant value across their overall product line, considering you have A520, B550 and X570, X470, B450 boards all supporting Zen3 which cover the cheapy to premium pretty well and all offer overclocking capabilities and native OC ram support unlike intel.
the only reasons AMD will provide further discount are 1) they dont sell enough of these 2) intel start to do what AMD used to do ie being highly aggresive with their pricing
I cant see either of those happening. but do expect a small discount during sales season.
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Wondering what the availability will be like around December time, more importantly how much will the price be around that time.
I could try get one at launch but around or after December would be the ideal time for me.
How much have the 3080's increased over time since launch? I've tried to find some data on this but most cards start at around £650 and jump rapidly to £720. Just curious how volatile and long lasting the Zen 3 launch could be.
I could try get one at launch but around or after December would be the ideal time for me.
How much have the 3080's increased over time since launch? I've tried to find some data on this but most cards start at around £650 and jump rapidly to £720. Just curious how volatile and long lasting the Zen 3 launch could be.
Doesn’t look like no one was buying 3600X and 3800X to that fact to me. 3600 and 3700x get bulk of the sales. But decent portion are still those chips considered “as not as valuable”.
the chart is taken from a German retail who sells to DIY market. So quite representative of what is being discussed in the forum here.
rip off hardly, you are getting “supposed gaming CPU” with the latest features for relatively similar price as an aging intel equivalent on a platform that doesn’t not require you to buy new motherboard.
better value for money sure. But that will come when the chip has been around for some time.
Intel are getting decimated.
The demand for high performance gaming chips is clearly large. If supply outstrips demand then prices will increase until the glorious master race has had its fill.
I think the sales figure pat Feb March is even worse for intel. I can’t seem to find the chart anymore. Like AMD in the 90%
https://phonemantra.com/the-germans...tistics-for-june-look-already-quite-familiar/
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No, 82% with previous month 84%.. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/amd-on-the-road-to-recovery.18826670/page-53
In DIY yeah, but I think they're making record profits overall.
It's not really fair, they need to feel some pain for their failed developments. Someday soon?