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Mr Oblong said:
In DIY yeah, but I think they're making record profits overall.

It's not really fair, they need to feel some pain for their failed developments. Someday soon?
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No, there are agreements between the large corporations-customers of OEM chips, the OEMs and Intel.
It depends on what the conditions and clauses are there in these agreements but I guess everyone is forced to buy from Intel no matter how far behind Intel lags technologically wise.
 
jigger said:
I’m not sure AMD allow pre orders.
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Yeah thats part of the issue, im interested why though. If they expect to be able to cope with demand, there's no harm in allowing a preorder system. Cuts out booting/scalpers and allows retailers to limit stock to x per person . Surely a win all round?
 
BurnieJNR said:
Yeah thats part of the issue, im interested why though. If they expect to be able to cope with demand, there's no harm in allowing a preorder system. Cuts out booting/scalpers and allows retailers to limit stock to x per person . Surely a win all round?
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I think it enables all that TBH.
 
I'm seeing 3900x priced for 10% less than 5800x, and my mildly overclocked 2600 is rarely or never bottlenecking my GPU that's where I think the value is. As a coder, can always find a use for more threads. YMMV
 
kohlditz said:
I'm seeing 3900x priced for 10% less than 5800x, and my mildly overclocked 2600 is rarely or never bottlenecking my GPU that's where I think the value is. As a coder, can always find a use for more threads. YMMV
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Yeah, when it's not just close, but actually cheaper for 50% more cores, the 5800X is a tougher sell for sure.
 
BurnieJNR said:
Any reason why these cant be on preorder?
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My take on this is:

A retailer can of course take a pre-order payment They don't need AND's permission for that. However they do need to know what price to set. The concrete cost to the retailer isn't known until it's quoted formally to them by the distributor, who includes their transport and admin costs (/prices...they can put margin on that too). Until the distributor makes this concrete cost commitment the retailer is at risk when taking preorder payments. They cannot easily ask the consumer for more if the price rises by 5% due to currency swings at the last minute. Thus, everyone is awaiting final cost confirmations before taking orders with payments.

(I Guess!)
 
denigor777 said:
My take on this is:

A retailer can of course take a pre-order payment They don't need AND's permission for that. However they do need to know what price to set. The concrete cost to the retailer isn't known until it's quoted formally to them by the distributor, who includes their transport and admin costs (/prices...they can put margin on that too). Until the distributor makes this concrete cost commitment the retailer is at risk when taking preorder payments. They cannot easily ask the consumer for more if the price rises by 5% due to currency swings at the last minute. Thus, everyone is awaiting final cost confirmations before taking orders with payments.

(I Guess!)
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that’s probably what is it. 5% is probably OCUK’s margin. So ya makes sense for them not to commit to anything until something concrete
 
denigor777 said:
My take on this is:

A retailer can of course take a pre-order payment They don't need AND's permission for that. However they do need to know what price to set. The concrete cost to the retailer isn't known until it's quoted formally to them by the distributor, who includes their transport and admin costs (/prices...they can put margin on that too). Until the distributor makes this concrete cost commitment the retailer is at risk when taking preorder payments. They cannot easily ask the consumer for more if the price rises by 5% due to currency swings at the last minute. Thus, everyone is awaiting final cost confirmations before taking orders with payments.

(I Guess!)
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This is all pretty sensible stuff.

Once the transactions start happening, it'd be a real mess to amend everything with customers and the backend.
 
FoxEye said:
People don't seem to grasp the idea of generational progress.

The recent trend is the idea that if something performs better than an 18 month old chip, then it must/should cost more.

People have even said that if the 5000 series was priced like the 3000 series it would be akin to "giving away performance for free".

It's strange that consumers now are arguing against their own interests and in favour of more corporate profit.
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I think it's more the under valued element of AMD to Intel and now they are at parity or close too then it still seems reasonable.

If they increased further then more would be up in arms. The point being there is a ceiling point and to date Intel have given us that price. AMD have now matched it.

I would see the 6000 series would then be at similar price to this gen release. Putting it above that would be where the real kickback from consumers would be.
 
Mr Oblong said:
What's your use case? The 5950 looks really impressive to me already.
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Programming and running virtual machines for work stuff. Playing the odd game for leisure times. I simulate networks using virtual machines so having 10 or more running at the same time isn't unheard of. The 5950 does look good but it is on dual channel RAM and has fewer PCIe lanes so I wouldn't be able to use as many NVMEe drives plus a GPU in 16x mode.
 
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