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Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D

Will you be purchasing the 7800X3D on the 6th?

  • Total voters
    191
  • Poll closed .
How did we even get to this stage...?

A warning about click-bait trash video's, assume its BS and do your own research, i include myself in that.
 
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sprite- said:
- Unless your other applications and tasks exceed the core capacity of the stacked CCD, it’ll be forced all onto the stacked CCD.
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Works the other was as well presumably - if you're running a frequency optimised task, the stacked CCD will be parked and the background tasks will run on the frequency optimised CCD.

sprite- said:
Which as Gordon explains, you’re running tasks on the lower frequency CCD if it doesn’t wake up the other cores. It would be better if the scheduling moved tasks about to maximise performance.
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They are background tasks - why does it matter which they run on?
 
The PC world video did give that impression though as well which was really what the conversation was based upon. Anyway gave us something to do this morning. :)
 
Curlyriff said:
But core frequency can be different on each core as needed so the game cores can run at 5.25Ghz or whatever and if the task on the other 2 cores on the same CCD are doing background tasks they can just run at 2Ghz or whatever. No background task such as YT, Discord, OBS etc generally don't use the higher frequency needed. What are you doing as a background task or program running that will want to be running faster than the game you are currently playing as your primary thing you are doing?
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You’re confusing the subject, it’s meaningless what activities somebody chooses to do or whether they’ll be impacted slightly, impacted significantly, not impacted etc.

They’ve implemented a noddy linear software solution to scheduling, at the same time relying on Microsoft Gamebar to do so (Again, hilarious). Not only is this, well, just plain stupid and hacky. It’s inferior to hardware scheduling or Intels Thread Director which is far more intelligent (although also far from perfect).

Then we throw on top their willingness to delay the 7800x3d part, which there is no logical reason to do so beyond rinsing early adopters when they may not know any better…. It’s a disappointing state of affairs, overall indefensible and AMD should be rightly criticised for it. If not people are wilfully ignoring it out of bias.
 
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sprite- said:
You’re confusing the subject, it’s meaningless what activities somebody chooses to do or whether they’ll be impacted slightly, impacted significantly, not impacted etc.

They’ve implemented a noddy linear software solution to scheduling, at the same time relying on Microsoft Gamebar to do so (Again, hilarious). Not only is this, well, just plain stupid and hacky. It’s inferior to hardware scheduling or Intels Thread Director which is far more intelligent (although also far from perfect).

Then we throw on top their willingness to delay the 7800x3d part, which there is no logical reason to do so beyond rinsing early adopters when they may not know any better…. It’s a disappointing state of affairs, overall indefensible and AMD should be rightly criticised for it. If not people are wilfully ignoring it out of bias.
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I still don't see the problem tbh. It makes sense that it is all on one CCD till it needs not to be so having the other core sleep from a power and heat element actually makes sense to bunch it all up. I would hate to have it game using 4 cores on one CCD and then YT and Discord on another when it would add power, heat etc instead. Seems like you are finding something to sulk about honestly.

I also don't see a problem with it using Gamebar to determine what is a game for it automatically. You can also assign it yourself if you wish. All seems like an obvious solution relative.
 
sprite- said:
They’ve implemented a noddy linear software solution to scheduling, at the same time relying on Microsoft Gamebar to do so (Again, hilarious). Not only is this, well, just plain stupid and hacky. It’s inferior to hardware scheduling or Intels Thread Director which is far more intelligent (although also far from perfect).
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Presumably you can do a better job; Arguably if someone's got time on their hands then they could play about with Process Lasso and fully explore the scheduling behaviour.

There's already been mention that further scheduling tweaks are coming, but it still isn't as easy as say looking at the performance counters and seeing how many cache misses you get running on a specific core type, as you don't actually know what the performance would be like, and whether it would be beneficial to move to the other core type.
 
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sprite- said:
You’re confusing the subject, it’s meaningless what activities somebody chooses to do or whether they’ll be impacted slightly, impacted significantly, not impacted etc.

They’ve implemented a noddy linear software solution to scheduling, at the same time relying on Microsoft Gamebar to do so (Again, hilarious). Not only is this, well, just plain stupid and hacky. It’s inferior to hardware scheduling or Intels Thread Director which is far more intelligent (although also far from perfect).

Then we throw on top their willingness to delay the 7800x3d part, which there is no logical reason to do so beyond rinsing early adopters when they may not know any better…. It’s a disappointing state of affairs, overall indefensible and AMD should be rightly criticised for it. If not people are wilfully ignoring it out of bias.
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I agree its not ideal that you need to install the XBox Game Bar, But AMD needed a data game library to recognise what is a game and what is not, the XBox Game Bar is probably as good as it gets.

Again, not ideal, but other than asking game developers to add code to their games, which is no more ideal and probably quite expensive, its the only way.

Hybrid designs are always going to be in some way compromised.
 
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jigger said:
I think its all about add revenue and “brand” building for many
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People just love drama and AMD constantly experimenting are an easy target.

He said "It has a dummy CCD" that should have been the cue to dismiss it out of hand, that is completely idiotic.
 
sprite- said:
You’re confusing the subject, it’s meaningless what activities somebody chooses to do or whether they’ll be impacted slightly, impacted significantly, not impacted etc.

They’ve implemented a noddy linear software solution to scheduling, at the same time relying on Microsoft Gamebar to do so (Again, hilarious). Not only is this, well, just plain stupid and hacky. It’s inferior to hardware scheduling or Intels Thread Director which is far more intelligent (although also far from perfect).

Then we throw on top their willingness to delay the 7800x3d part, which there is no logical reason to do so beyond rinsing early adopters when they may not know any better…. It’s a disappointing state of affairs, overall indefensible and AMD should be rightly criticised for it. If not people are wilfully ignoring it out of bias.
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I think that AMD are also responsible for the bad weather we are having today
 
Armageus said:
Presumably you can do a better job; Arguably if someone's got time on their hands then they could play about with Process Lasso and fully explore the scheduling behaviour.

There's already been mention that further scheduling tweaks are coming, but it still isn't as easy as say looking at the performance counters and seeing how many cache misses you get running on a specific core type, as you don't actually know what the performance would be like, and whether it would be beneficial to move to the other core type.
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Just a hunch. Start work and at some point realise the depth of the lasagne of fail and give up.

New chip design get released and the software world needs some updates and optimisation to improve leverage. Shock and horror.
 
ZXSpekky48k said:
In relation to the above debate on assigning cores in games can we also refrain from saying the 7900x3d is terrible based on intuition before there's any reviews/tests at all
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To a point, if you have no games that will use more than 6 cores it will likely be just as good as the others. The problem is for myself at least it will not be as good as say the 7800x3D as I have games that will saturate all cores such as Stellaris or Star Citizen.
 
Curlyriff said:
To a point, if you have no games that will use more than 6 cores it will likely be just as good as the others. The problem is for myself at least it will not be as good as say the 7800x3D as I have games that will saturate all cores such as Stellaris or Star Citizen.
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My half CPU is fine in Star Citizen :P its a high load in places across all 16 threads but its not over stressed.


Stellaris loves these 3D chips.
 
Iron Man said:
My 7950X3D arrived despite the DPD driver doing his best to make as little effort as possible to knock on my door. Managed to chase him down the drive and got him to deliver the cpu after about a dozen sighs that I wasn’t in when he knocked.
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lol... cheeky so and so...
 
Bencher said:
That wouldn't fix the problem. You don't want your games running in 2 different ccds, so what's the point of adding cache to both of them?
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They do on the normal ones, that's not what you're thinking of, that is only a problem when it's moving between CCD's constantly, which is the thing it doesn't do.
 
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