Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D

[Grim5]

Yep while cpu prices have gone up quite a bit over the last 7 years, it's not at the same level to what's happened with GPUs

Intel:
6700k $339
7700k $339
8700k $359
9900k $488
10900k $488
11900k $539
12900k $669
13900k $659


So from 2015 to 2023 CPU prices have basically doubled. But GPU prices have tripled

 

[Iron Man]

I'm not too worried about CPU's, yet.

1800X : $499
3950X: $749
5950X: $799
7950X3D: $699

What concerns me is this

GTX 970: $299
GTX 1070Ti: $399
RTX 2070 Super: $499
RTX 3070Ti: $599
RTX 4070Ti: $799

RTX 5070Ti: $899?

Look at motherboards if you want to be concerned! In one generation prices have doubled….

 

[Calin Banc]

I'm not too worried about CPU's, yet.

1800X : $499
3950X: $749
5950X: $799
7950X3D: $699

What concerns me is this

GTX 970: $299
GTX 1070Ti: $399
RTX 2070 Super: $499
RTX 3070Ti: $599
RTX 4070Ti: $799

RTX 5070Ti: $899?

There was also Ryzen 2700x at $329.
And don't forget AMD's road trip from r290/x from $399/$549 to 7900xt/x $899/$999. Is still about 2x jump in price from 2700x to 7950x3d like is from 290 to 7900xt. So about the same price hike.

Also, you can game for a long time with a GPU at lower res, but once CPU limits start to kick in there's no place to go. At least you don't have to upgrade that often

 

[humbug]

Look at motherboards if you want to be concerned! In one generation prices have doubled….

True.

Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite AX V2: £165
Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX: £270

 

[Calin Banc]

True.

Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite AX V2: £165
Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX: £270

Looking around, my old asrock 470x was around 150 euros. Now, the x670e (i don't see a regular one where i live) is about 300 euros. So very true in some cases.

or here > https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...rboards/am4-x570-ryzen-3rd-gen?sort=price_asc vs https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...d-motherboards/am5-motherboards?sort=name_asc

 

[humbug]

There was also Ryzen 2700x at $329.
And don't forget AMD's road trip from r290/x from $399/$549 to 7900xt/x $899/$999. Is still about 2x jump in price from 2700x to 7950x3d like is from 290 to 7900xt. So about the same price hike.

Also, you can game for a long time with a GPU at lower res, but once CPU limits start to kick in there's no place to go. At least you don't have to upgrade that often

The 7900XT, which absolutely should be branded the 7800XT is $899, way overpriced, The 6800XT was $649. But right now at least that's it, the 7900XTX is fine at $999, a halo card and its the same price as the 6900XT its replaced. Edit actually quite reasonable.

No idea what the 7800XT will be priced yet.

 

[Grim5]

Look at motherboards if you want to be concerned! In one generation prices have doubled….

Since we're going back to 2015

Maximus viii extreme launched 2015 at $485
Maximus z790 Xtreme launched 2022 at $999

 

[Calin Banc]

The 7900XT, which absolutely should be branded the 7800XT is $899, way overpriced, The 6800XT was $649. But right now at least that's it, the 7900XTX is fine at $999, a halo card and its the same price as the 6900XT its replaced. Edit actually quite reasonable.

No idea what the 7800XT will be priced yet.

R290x was also halo, also the Fury X series and Vega and yet they were much less expensive. However, if you consider "fine" the jump to $1000 then don't be surprised that the rest of the cards soon followed for both amd and nvidia.

 

[humbug]

R290x was also halo, also the Fury X series and Vega and yet they were much less expensive. However, if you consider "fine" the jump to $1000 then don't be surprised that the rest of the cards soon followed for both amd and nvidia.

Ok very fair point, you have to take in to account inflation but clearly $549 would not be $999 today, maybe $699.

 

[Calin Banc]

Ok very fair point, you have to take in to account inflation but clearly $549 would not be $999 today, maybe $699.

399 would be around 500 and 549 will be around 688. Pretty far from 899/999.

Also, I'm guessing 7900xtx would have been AT LEAST the same as 6950 xt ( $1099 ) if it would have performed better.

 

[Bencher]

I whatched JayZ2Cents test a $75 air cooler on his 10900K test rig last night, it was as he said tuned, he had been using a 360mm AIO on it in an open test bed, with the $75 air cooler on it the thing would freeze up with in seconds on every R23 run and long before it reached TJmax temps, he had to back off his overclocks to complete a 20 second R23 run, which he excused as a difficult thing for a CPU to do, no its not.... its about as easy as it gets, he wants to try baking lighting in Unreal Engine for 20 seconds which already is very much harder never mind 9 hours straight, my CPU does that with ease and never lets me down....

My point rather being pushing CPU's to the absolute limit with the most expensive gear you can find for a 20 second R23 run is a ##### huge lie.

Then block jay2cents and never watch his videos ever again. 100% user error

 

[Bencher]

Some truth to that though they can clock higher as well and have 20% better IPC than Zen 3 and like 8% better IPC than Zen 4 plus better latency. Plus clocking higher better performance overall to add on top of better IPC

Though you are right about being 3X the size and using more power though it is not near twice power usage. More like 20 to 30% more.

Where do you get that nonsense from? Trchpoerrup tested single core performance and efficiency,zen 4 is nowhere near close to 13th gen. The 7950x not only pulls more power for single thread tasks, it's also slower,lol.

 

[Bencher]

Intel have improved a lot, i've recommended 13'th gen over Zen 4 on this forum, i like them, but they are a brute force approach, that makes them expensive, for Intel that is, margins even on these retail CPU's is very low if anything at all, this is with Intel forcing low margins on retailers, who are recommended Zen 4 purely because the margins they get on those are 4X higher.

That's retail, Datacentre the situation is frankly dire.

After testing a 13900k for a month, I have to say 12900k is just a better product out of the box no contest.

 

[humbug]

Where do you get that nonsense from? Trchpoerrup tested single core performance and efficiency,zen 4 is nowhere near close to 13th gen. The 7950x not only pulls more power for single thread tasks, it's also slower,lol.

I haven't seen it.... i don't trust that, or you, the E cores are a small proportion of the 13900K power, with that the 13900K uses more power as a whole despite only having 8 full size cores vs 16 on the 7950X.

A lot of things TPU do is nonsensical. Wizard (not the correct spelling i know) is very hit and miss.... i would have to see it

After testing a 13900k for a month, I have to say 12900k is just a better product out of the box no contest.

They are virtually the same CPU.

 

[Bencher]

I haven't seen it.... i don't trust that, or you, the E cores are a small proportion of the 13900K power, with that the 13900K uses more power as a whole despite only having 8 full size cores vs 16 on the 7950X.

A lot of things TPU do is nonsensical. Wizard (not the correct spelling i know) is very hit and miss.... i would have to see it



They are virtually the same CPU.

Well take any review you like,youll never see a 7950x consuming less power in st tasks than a 13900k. It's not even close actually, that's how intel is beating amd by a lot in taks like the whole Adobe suite. Because in mixed usage they sip power.

The 12900k tuned for efficiency consumes exactly half the power in every single game compared to a 13900k tuned for efficiency. That for me is a big big difference. Ofcourse the 13900k is faster by 15% or more,but double power draw is pretty nuts.

 

[humbug]

Well take any review you like,youll never see a 7950x consuming less power in st tasks than a 13900k. It's not even close actually, that's how intel is beating amd by a lot in taks like the whole Adobe suite. Because in mixed usage they sip power.

The 12900k tuned for efficiency consumes exactly half the power in every single game compared to a 13900k tuned for efficiency. That for me is a big big difference. Ofcourse the 13900k is faster by 15% or more,but double power draw is pretty nuts.

Actually its a commonality among all mainstream reviewer results
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I'll give you an example of TPU's Wizard shenanigans.

After reviewing the RTX 3080 he used the RTX 2080 to review the 5950X for gaming performance just a few weeks later, predictably TPU's bar charts were a solid block with little to no variation in performance and Wizard concluded Zen 3 was not much better for gaming that Zen 2.
That was very obviously contrived to arrive at that result.

Later testing the 5800X3D he used the 3080 10GB, he resulted +9% over the 5950X, it gave him a reason to say a similar thing, again.
HUB used the 3090TI and resulted +19%, later with the 4090 +23%.
Its Ryan Shrout levels of nonsense.

You get the impresstion Wizard often asums the reader is stupid and wont notice he has his own agenda.

 

[Bencher]

Actually its a commonality among all mainstream reviewer results
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I'll give you an example of TPU's Wizard shenanigans.

After reviewing the RTX 3080 he used the RTX 2080 to review the 5950X for gaming performance just a few weeks later, predictably TPU's bar charts were a solid block with little to no variation in performance and Wizard concluded Zen 3 was not much better for gaming that Zen 2.
That was very obviously contrived to arrive at that result.

Later testing the 5800X3D he used the 3080 10GB, he resulted +9% over the 5950X, it gave him a reason to say a similar thing, again.
HUB used the 3090TI and resulted +19%, later with the 4090 +23%.
Its Ryan Shrout levels of nonsense.

You get the impresstion Wizard often asums the reader is stupid and wont notice he has his own agenda.

But how is that relevant to the st power consumption? It's common knowledge that intel is much better at at or mixed usage tasks both in speed and efficiency.

 

[humbug]

But how is that relevant to the st power consumption? It's common knowledge that intel is much better at at or mixed usage tasks both in speed and efficiency.

Is it?
You never provide any citation to your blanket statements. I can't workout if you believe what you write or if you're just trolling.

 

[Curlyriff]

General the 13900k is a better chip than a 7950x unless you doing something like Handbrake where the 7950x is pulling around 190w compared to 13900k at 245w whilst also being slower (in multi), anything AVX512 based AMD is faster but uses more power because it actually has AVX512. Renders per hour the 7950x is about 50% better over the 13900k.

This is also shown in Blender so for those programs specifically you want to go AMD, for anything else at moment Intel with the 13900k is a better option (assuming you don't want ability to plug and play next gen or two CPUs into current mobo as upgrade path).

To also note if you was building a system now and wanting DDR5 for future compatibility (even if you needed to buy another mobo at least for Intel later) then the motherboards for AMD are around 5% cheaper than Intel for high end (z790 vs x670e) but the B650 vs B660 AMD boards are still about 15% higher cost wise at the low end which is the painful bit. Why the AMD boards are that much higher at the low end is daft tbh, that at today prices. The 7950x vs 13900k price wise, AMD comes in about 5% cheaper so relative for a high end system the Intel averages about 10-15% faster in single thread workload and gaming (total average) but also costs about that much more if paid with a suitable higher end mobo but could be around 5%5 cheaper if opting for a B series board that is still DDR5.

It will be down to if the additional £140 for the x3D varient will be worth it when you are likely talking to be matching/5% faster to a 13900K and so costs wise will likely be 20% more than Intel then.

 

[Bencher]

Is it?
You never provide any citation to your blanket statements. I can't workout if you believe what you write or if you're just trolling.

I did,the trchpoerrup review of the 13900k for example. You just don't accept, and you won't accept any review that has your favourite company losing. Technotice ,a YouTube channel that focuses entirely on creativity like rendering encoding etc. has all intel CPUs wiping the floor with zen 4. And that's exactly because the Adobe suite is a mixed workload and in those intel is both the efficiency and performance king. But of course you won't accept those results either