Poll: Sakhir Grand Prix 2020, Sakhir - Race 16/17

Rate the 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix out of ten


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This pretty much silences the opposition to the “it’s the car not the driver” crowd. George has managed to get within a couple of milliseconds of pole when he’s practicality not driven the car before and doesn’t even fit in his boots or the seat.

I'm not sure it does - he's highly rated by mercedes and regularly gets the williams further up the grid in quali than it should be.

If you put a known terrible driver in that car and it still was on the front of the grid - that might settle the argument.
 
I'm not sure it does - he's highly rated by mercedes and regularly gets the williams further up the grid in quali than it should be.

If you put a known terrible driver in that car and it still was on the front of the grid - that might settle the argument.

Get out of town. When Schumacher broke his leg in 1999. Mika Salo was miles off the pace when in his car.

Cars are just far too advanced now that the % where the driver makes the difference is just getting smaller and smaller.
 
I'm not sure it does - he's highly rated by mercedes and regularly gets the williams further up the grid in quali than it should be.

If you put a known terrible driver in that car and it still was on the front of the grid - that might settle the argument.

Russell is clearly a good driver but he has the following against him:

Car doesn't fit him
Hasn't driven the car before
Has experience in a completely different and much worse car
Car is set up for another driver for the most part
Massive amount of pressure being given the championship winners car to drive.

I'd say this show just how damn good the Mercedes is.
 
I'm not sure it does - he's highly rated by mercedes and regularly gets the williams further up the grid in quali than it should be.

If you put a known terrible driver in that car and it still was on the front of the grid - that might settle the argument.
Well remember when Luca Badoer returned to F1 in 2009 for Ferrari to replace the injured Massa. The 2009 Ferrari was a fast car but he still only managed to qualify 20th in Valencia and last in Belgium and was seconds off Räikkönen's pace.
 
Russell is clearly a good driver but he has the following against him:

Car doesn't fit him
Hasn't driven the car before
Has experience in a completely different and much worse car
Car is set up for another driver for the most part
Massive amount of pressure being given the championship winners car to drive.

I'd say this show just how damn good the Mercedes is.
Also how good George is IMO. To get that close to Bottas who’s been driving the car all season is massively impressive. With both WDC and WCC done George has no reason not to push Bottas as much as he can in the race.
 
I'm not sure it does - he's highly rated by mercedes and regularly gets the williams further up the grid in quali than it should be.

If you put a known terrible driver in that car and it still was on the front of the grid - that might settle the argument.

Not taking anything away from George but I would bet Maldonado, if he had still be racing would have gotten the car on the front row also.

Russell is clearly a good driver but he has the following against him:

Car doesn't fit him
Hasn't driven the car before
Has experience in a completely different and much worse car
Car is set up for another driver for the most part
Massive amount of pressure being given the championship winners car to drive.

I'd say this show just how damn good the Mercedes is.

He's probably more familiar with the car than Hulk was of the RP, and he qualifies in 3rd, having not raced in F1 for the season. Russell on the other hand has driven a Mercedes, and has been racing all season.

IMO he has performed as expect.

Well remember when Luca Badoer returned to F1 in 2009 for Ferrari to replace the injured Massa. The 2009 Ferrari was a fast car but he still only managed to qualify 20th in Valencia and last in Belgium and was seconds off Räikkönen's pace.

It's normally when the car is difficult to drive that you see the large gaps between performances. Take the 2009 Ferrari for example. No-one other than Kimi could drive it. The 2009 Ferrari was a terrible car, certainly not fast. It did get better as the season went on though, as did the McLaren which was also terrible.

Interestingly, looking back at 2009. Vettel should have won the championship that year, but for the massive 5 retirements.
 
Also how good George is IMO. To get that close to Bottas who’s been driving the car all season is massively impressive. With both WDC and WCC done George has no reason not to push Bottas as much as he can in the race.

I think George is a good racer but I also think Bottas is massively average.

As adam has said. This is just proving how good the Mercedes is and how much of F1 is dictated by the car (unsurprisingly really).
 
I think George is a good racer but I also think Bottas is massively average.

As adam has said. This is just proving how good the Mercedes is and how much of F1 is dictated by the car (unsurprisingly really).
Unless F1 turns into a spec series then it’ll always be the car first, driver second.
 
It's normally when the car is difficult to drive that you see the large gaps between performances. Take the 2009 Ferrari for example. No-one other than Kimi could drive it. The 2009 Ferrari was a terrible car, certainly not fast. It did get better as the season went on though, as did the McLaren which was also terrible.

All you are saying here is that the Mercedes is easy to drive be super fast. F1 in its current state is just trying to kid everyone that there is more than a one horse race. If GR wins tomorrow it just puts even more egg on everyone's faces.
 
Of course :p No ones winning F1 in a metro. The question is always where that line sits. 90/10? 80/20?

Surely we'd never be able to quantify this unless we put every driver in every car and compared all their times. So all we can do is compare team mates as thats the only time they are driving equal machinery. But even then we have the issue that a particular driver may not be driving his preferred setup or style due to team setup/car design. (Like people say is Albon's issue although i think he's done regardless now..)
 
Exceptional drivers but four times in the last 34 years, all with drivers who are in the running for the best drivers ever. If anything it makes my point.

I wouldn't say exceptional. I was also just providing examples. There are plenty more if you look. Although next to none after 98. For those who can remember F1 has been pretty boring since the 98 rule change. All this banning engine development and car testing is rubbish. Whoever aces the big rule changes gets a big monopoly on everyone.
 
Of course :p No ones winning F1 in a metro. The question is always where that line sits. 90/10? 80/20?

I'd go with 99.5% car in terms of pure speed over 1 lap

The average Max / Albon qualy difference is .5 seconds based off an average lap time of 120 seconds thats a .41% difference. So a good driver can contribute around .5% of the cars performance.

This is based on pure speed and doesn't account for racecraft which could potentially add a lot more in terms of performance
 
I wouldn't say exceptional. I was also just providing examples. There are plenty more if you look. Although next to none after 98. For those who can remember F1 has been pretty boring since the 98 rule change. All this banning engine development and car testing is rubbish. Whoever aces the big rule changes gets a big monopoly on everyone.

I will say reducing the opportunities for teams to catch up is a bit silly but i can't see it changing as its at odds with cost cutting. But the days of someone coming in, buying a small team/starting a new team and winning are long gone.

Maybe next years test time should be increased the lower down the order you finish in the championship at the end of the year? i.e. everyone gets a standard amount and its boosted the worse you are? i don't know.
 
I will say reducing the opportunities for teams to catch up is a bit silly but i can't see it changing as its at odds with cost cutting. But the days of someone coming in, buying a small team/starting a new team and winning are long gone.

Maybe next years test time should be increased the lower down the order you finish in the championship at the end of the year? i.e. everyone gets a standard amount and its boosted the worse you are? i don't know.
Next year the championship positions this year dictate how much CFD and computer time they can use so may go some way to balancing the field.
 
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