Samsung 24" and 27" CFG70 144 Hz / 34" CF791 100Hz VA FreeSync

southernorth · 3 Jan 2017 at 21:50

Legend said:
Given these issues, Gibbo's quote is now looking rather like a load of hot air... albeit said honestly and with good intention of course, but if these problems persist it would certainly seem Samsung have ballsed this one up.... another monitor bites the dust. Is it really THAT hard?? [sigh]

I guess they might have got lucky, or they aren't telling the whole story. I find it particularly odd that the monitors at OCuk have had no issues, especially as they would have gotten very early versions (which seemingly are more likely to have issues).

He is in business of shifting stock though, so he can't damage his sales by saying that widespread issues do potentially exist. Then again, he is usually quite transparent on these forums so I could be wrong. I would be interested to know how many returns they get and for what reasons on these monitors. It could just be a vocal minority reporting problems, when in reality the vast majority of users have no issues at all. I hope the latter is true as I am very interested in these monitors.

Nexus18 · 3 Jan 2017 at 22:01

Even more reason to get a TV instead of a monitor these days... QC for monitors is just appalling these days.

And yes gibbo can be very transparent on these forums but at the end of the day, he still has to shift stock and generate profits for ocuk and the companies he deals with.

southernorth · 3 Jan 2017 at 22:03

Nexus18 said:
Even more reason to get a TV instead of a monitor these days... QC for monitors is just appalling these days.

And yes gibbo can be very transparent on these forums but at the end of the day, he still has to shift stock and generate profits for ocuk and the companies he deals with.

Which TV's offer such low response times and high refresh rates?

Nexus18 · 3 Jan 2017 at 22:22

southernorth said:
Which TV's offer such low response times and high refresh rates?

The only downside with TVs is input lag (usually about 20-35ms, fine for single player games imo) and no sync tech (although this will change in the future)

The majority of TVs are far better for when it comes to motion clarity, especially OLED, no idea on what the response times are as none of the reputable sites seem to give a figure for that but TVs handle motion a lot better than some of these gaming monitors.

Everything else about TVs is better than monitors:

- way longer warranty i.e. 5 + years as minimum for TVs VS 2-3 years at most for £1k+ monitors...
- cheaper, absolutely crazy paying some of the prices for these "high end" monitors when you could get a 50+" 4k HDR TV for similar price or even cheaper...
- image quality is leagues ahead, especially OLED
- better and finer calibration controls
- better QC on the whole

Princey · 4 Jan 2017 at 08:55

I am very interested in the CF791, however my experience with VA panels isn't too positive. Sure the viewing angles are okay and the contrast is above IPS and TN but the smearing of blacks and very dark colours is a deal breaker. I've seen this on pretty much every VA screen, including TVs so I'd want to see this monitor in action before committing.

Legend · 4 Jan 2017 at 12:06

Nexus18 said:
The only downside with TVs is input lag (usually about 20-35ms, fine for single player games imo) and no sync tech (although this will change in the future)

The majority of TVs are far better for when it comes to motion clarity, especially OLED, no idea on what the response times are as none of the reputable sites seem to give a figure for that but TVs handle motion a lot better than some of these gaming monitors.

Everything else about TVs is better than monitors:

- way longer warranty i.e. 5 + years as minimum for TVs VS 2-3 years at most for £1k+ monitors...
- cheaper, absolutely crazy paying some of the prices for these "high end" monitors when you could get a 50+" 4k HDR TV for similar price or even cheaper...
- image quality is leagues ahead, especially OLED
- better and finer calibration controls
- better QC on the whole

OLED is definitely in a league of its own, but it costs a pretty penny... so they certainly don't fall in to the "cheaper" category.

The big problem with TV's is the complete lack of any regulation in specification claims. It's the wild west out there, and manufacturers can say virtually anything they want. 4K HDR has almost become meaningless, as you can buy a TV that claims both but actually falls woefully short.... many of the LG IPS panels are RGBW for example, which means they don't even display 4K properly, and don't get me started on HDR! Vast majority of the TV's being sold with that on the box don't even come close to the required standard to display it properly, in brightness or colour gamut with measly 8-bit panels! Even most of the claimed 10-bit sets are 8-bit+FRC. It's quite ridiculous. As for motion, the one 'affordable' TV (under £1K) that does actually meet the HDR standard, the Samsung KS7000, is plagued with motion issues for fast motion... I've read countless user reviews from people who find it unbearable. Some are OK, but it's a lottery. I agree calibration controls are better on TV's, but QC can be just as hit and miss... BLB and DSE are no less prevalent on TV's than PC monitors. And of course there is the input lag as you say, and lack of any adaptive sync technology, which I know is probably going to change going forward, but as of now, no TV has it, which at 4K especially is going to be an issue.

I am just as frustrated with the state of PC monitors, but TV's aren't the answer... not yet.

LokiS · 4 Jan 2017 at 12:26

Princey said:
I am very interested in the CF791, however my experience with VA panels isn't too positive. Sure the viewing angles are okay and the contrast is above IPS and TN but the smearing of blacks and very dark colours is a deal breaker. I've seen this on pretty much every VA screen, including TVs so I'd want to see this monitor in action before committing.

Same problem for me and something I haven't seen touched on yet by owners. It's on dark environments (which is ironic as contrast is VA strongpoint) like being inside caves/ruins etc, or dark tree branches in a grey sky which normally show it and it is horrible to point I can't game on VA so far. I'm hoping that its improved on these screens but I'm thinking its wishful thinking on my part. Good place to test it is in Skyrim High Hrothgar the first big room the floor tiles will smear like crazy.

PCM2 · 4 Jan 2017 at 13:10

LokiS said:
Same problem for me and something I haven't seen touched on yet by owners. It's on dark environments (which is ironic as contrast is VA strongpoint) like being inside caves/ruins etc, or dark tree branches in a grey sky which normally show it and it is horrible to point I can't game on VA so far. I'm hoping that its improved on these screens but I'm thinking its wishful thinking on my part. Good place to test it is in Skyrim High Hrothgar the first big room the floor tiles will smear like crazy.

The C24FG70 that I tested had no such weaknesses in responsiveness and the S34E790C wasn't too bad either. So hopefully this issue won't plague the C34F791.

Nexus18 · 4 Jan 2017 at 15:11

Legend said:
OLED is definitely in a league of its own, but it costs a pretty penny... so they certainly don't fall in to the "cheaper" category.

The big problem with TV's is the complete lack of any regulation in specification claims. It's the wild west out there, and manufacturers can say virtually anything they want. 4K HDR has almost become meaningless, as you can buy a TV that claims both but actually falls woefully short.... many of the LG IPS panels are RGBW for example, which means they don't even display 4K properly, and don't get me started on HDR! Vast majority of the TV's being sold with that on the box don't even come close to the required standard to display it properly, in brightness or colour gamut with measly 8-bit panels! Even most of the claimed 10-bit sets are 8-bit+FRC. It's quite ridiculous. As for motion, the one 'affordable' TV (under £1K) that does actually meet the HDR standard, the Samsung KS7000, is plagued with motion issues for fast motion... I've read countless user reviews from people who find it unbearable. Some are OK, but it's a lottery. I agree calibration controls are better on TV's, but QC can be just as hit and miss... BLB and DSE are no less prevalent on TV's than PC monitors. And of course there is the input lag as you say, and lack of any adaptive sync technology, which I know is probably going to change going forward, but as of now, no TV has it, which at 4K especially is going to be an issue.

I am just as frustrated with the state of PC monitors, but TV's aren't the answer... not yet.

Yup I wasn't mainly referring to OLED but more so some of the higher spec LCD TVs although with the ridiculous pricing of the 34" 1440 100HZ screens, you are in OLED territory then, for the sake of an extra couple hundred pounds, you can get next gen tech. that will last a long time. I just can't understand people who are willing to pay £1300 for the asus 34" 1440 screen when they can cough up £300 (given that they are already willing to pay this much for a monitor, I don't think an extra £300 would be much more to them) and get the 2016 LG 55BV6 4K HDR 55" OLED TV, the higher input lag and no sync tech. would be annoying but OLED makes up for that in every way imo. Only other reason is the space needed to fit a 55" display...

Obviously running games at 4k is going to be super demanding but given how much further you sit from a TV, you could happily run games at 1080P and still have stunning looking IQ, not to mention, if you really wanted, you could create custom 21.9 resolutions.

QC is certainly not spot on for TVs either but it is a damn sight better than monitors these days, especially IPS monitors.

And yes, the false advertising/spec list for some TVs is ridiculous.

Personally I think monitors are going to be just as much of a joke for HDR spec though and that we won't see any truly capable of proper HDR until at least next year, not to mention you can be guaranteed they will cost silly money. I do hope this year is where we will see a turn around for monitors as quite frankly the last couple of years have been abysmal, poor QC, rip off prices, companies all re-using the same panel and not actually improving upon them (at least not in the areas we want) especially for the 34" 1440 panels etc.

LokiS · 4 Jan 2017 at 16:14

PCM2 said:
The C24FG70 that I tested had no such weaknesses in responsiveness and the S34E790C wasn't too bad either. So hopefully this issue won't plague the C34F791.

I hope so because dont get me wrong these displays do look good but with the price being high you got to be critical of them.

Scramz · 4 Jan 2017 at 16:33

I just had an email confirming my preorder which I did yesterday. First instance I jumped for my phone thinking it was a dispatched email! Sod you delayed OCUK email.

mattpj · 4 Jan 2017 at 16:34

Scramz said:
I just had an email confirming my preorder which I did yesterday. First instance I jumped for my phone thinking it was a dispatched email! Sod you delayed OCUK email.

I cancelled mine after no updates. I called and it seems the date keeps getting pushed back.

After seeing the discussion about purple shifting and dead pixels, I think I'll let them get out in the wild and make a decision later.

Scramz · 4 Jan 2017 at 16:44

mattpj said:
I cancelled mine after no updates. I called and it seems the date keeps getting pushed back.

After seeing the discussion about purple shifting and dead pixels, I think I'll let them get out in the wild and make a decision later.

All I was told via webnote that they're expected on 23rd Dec, therefore they could turn up at any time.

Would be helpful is someone from OCUK can update us in here on the situation.

I have read about the Australian guy with the dead pixel issues and guy on YT with the dead line of pixels when gaming mode is turned on. But from reading over the internet most have had a great experience with is monitor, so far.

Scramz · 4 Jan 2017 at 17:15

Gibbo said:
We are trying to get an introductory price, but 1k will be regular price yes, but pushing for lower for first batch, will do my best.

Samsung UK website pricing is the same as OCUK. Is OCUK pricing at £799.99 the intro price you tried to push for? If not, could it go even lower here at OCUK?

I have one on preorder here at OCUK, if the price was to drop because of an intro deal would the people with preorders likely have their cost adjusted?

LokiS · 4 Jan 2017 at 19:20

Scramz said:
Samsung UK website pricing is the same as OCUK. Is OCUK pricing at £799.99 the intro price you tried to push for? If not, could it go even lower here at OCUK?

I have one on preorder here at OCUK, if the price was to drop because of an intro deal would the people with preorders likely have their cost adjusted?

Where about are you seeing it on the Samsung uk site?, can't see it listed anywhere.

Scramz · 4 Jan 2017 at 19:39

LokiS said:
Where about are you seeing it on the Samsung uk site?, can't see it listed anywhere.

Am I allowed to link it here? Could a mod kindly confirm if the product page on the manufacturer's website be linked (No stock on there), I wouldn't want to break any rules.

LokiS · 4 Jan 2017 at 19:43

Scramz said:
Am I allowed to link it here? Are they considered as a competitor?

would have thought so as its the official Samsung site. I can see the other new displays but can only see the old ultrawide.

Scramz · 4 Jan 2017 at 19:46

LokiS said:
would have thought so as its the official Samsung site. I can see the other new displays but can only see the old ultrawide.

It is 100% there and I would post but I would prefer a mod say it is fine too.

LokiS · 4 Jan 2017 at 20:16

Scramz said:
It is 100% there and I would post but I would prefer a mod say it is fine too.

Found it now, can't remember now but had to click one of the add links on the homepage to find it, wasn't listed on the products tab.

I'm surprised it's the same price as OCUK, normally the official website charge quite a bit more so I can see why you are asking. I'd assume OCUK would refund the difference if it changes within a few days of being available.

Scramz · 4 Jan 2017 at 20:18

Hopefully Gibbo can update us soon.