Saving the planet, one year on

That colour is fantastic and really suits the car imo....... (note i have been accused of having terrible taste having owned and loved a bright yellow banana car (or Ferrari yellow as i prefer to call it ;) )

I wish more cars had daring colours.
 
jaybee said:
I like the idea of some of the high performance plugin hybrid SUVs like the Volvo XC90 T8 thing because we do about 90% of our journeys as short under 4 mile runs
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Yup I have a T8 and it is perfect for that, I've not put fuel in it since end of Jan/early Feb despite doing a few thousand miles :D we have a couple of runs that go over batteries 35-40 mile range of around 90-100 miles it still equates to 70odd mpg but of course you have to pay all the tax on PHEVs ~50/month because of luxury tax, booo.
 
sandys said:
Yup I have a T8 and it is perfect for that, I've not put fuel in it since end of Jan/early Feb despite doing a few thousand miles :D we have a couple of runs that go over batteries 35-40 mile range of around 90-100 miles it still equates to 70odd mpg but of course you have to pay all the tax on PHEVs ~50/month because of luxury tax, booo.
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Wow. Only just heard of this. Must have been living under a rock. So can you talk me through what you pay in total year 1, 2 and so on in terms of Tax?
 
It is coming in for EVs next year too and is retrospective but any car purchased in or after '21 which has over a £40k list has to pay luxury tax of £410/yr for 5 yrs after the first year (will no doubt increase annually) plus of course pay whatever VED band they fall into in addition to the luxury tax, the first year is wrapped up in the purchase of vehicles so dunno about that.

My annual tax is pretty much what the OP paid to fuel his EV for 14k miles :rolleyes: £588

Yr 7 tax will just be the normal VED rate of 180 or what ever it will be by then, no luxury tax due, inflation adjusted no doubt doubled. :(
 
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sandys said:
It is coming in for EVs next year too and is retroactive but any car purchased in or after '21 which has over a £40k list has to pay luxury tax of £410/yr for 5 yrs after the first year (will no doubt increase annually) plus of course pay whatever VED band they fall into in addition to the luxury tax, the first year is wrapped up in the purchase of vehicles so dunno about that.

Yr 7 tax will just be the normal VED rate of 180 or what ever it will be by then, no luxury tax due, inflation adjusted no doubt doubled. :(
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hang on... i dont think that is quite right.

yes car tax is getting added to EVs retrospectively (from 2017 isnt it?) but the luxury car tax ISNT being applied retrospectively - unless something has changed?

remember to tax your ev for 12 months in March next year.
 
mild segue but..... I do support luxury car tax as a principle, and i accept that EVs do need to start paying tax as more and more of them replace ICEVs but i do think the thresholds need to be looked at.

entry level family cars should not be falling foul of "luxury" car tax imo, and that is still the case with EVs.

Also the retrospective car tax ****** me off as well. those of us who do not get the company car tax dodges and buy 2nd hand in the last 6 years paid a pretty large premium to go EV.
generally other car tax implementations have not been retrospective, they have only gone forward (hence our diesel pug 308 with £35 i think it was yearly tax)

so sure, tax them going forward, and if they have to even put a small amount going backward, but charging more tax for any EV vs an ICE car imo is wrong so if they really wanted to go retrospective (which i dont support) then every single car on the road should retrospectively be forced to pay the.... £180 or what ever it is as a base line..... and for now at least lux car tax on EVs really should only be kicking in at £50k+ imo.
 
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As always with tax issues there will always be winners and losers, I mean I don't see why I should pay anymore tax than an EV just because company car PHEV drivers screwed it for the rest, I drive around in cities 100% EV as well as any EV but hey ho, it is what it is.

I've done 4k miles so far on this tank and still have a quarter left, that's ~356mpg so far :eek: :D of course I'm disregarding all the Kws of electric but we get that mostly free.
 
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sandys said:
As always with tax issues there will always be winners and losers, I mean I don't see why I should pay anymore tax than an EV just because company car PHEV drivers screwed it for the rest, I drive around in cities 100% EV as well as any EV but hey ho, it is what it is.
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indeed. i (my fault i admit) forgot to take into account the fact that the REX which my wife insisted on (not that i am bitter! ;) ) took the new price of our i3 over the threshold, so after looking at and test driving pure EV cars which were exempt, we bought the PHEV version and i got an eye watering car tax bill............. at least due to the age of the car it is the only one i will get with the luxury penalty. Since buying the car we have done probably 5000 miles in it.... and i would say under 100 of them have been on petrol (and even those on all but 1 occasion just to spin the engine up and give it a run out)

the BMW I3 is many things.............. but luxury is not one of them.
 
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jaybee said:
So it's cost you £582 to do 14,399 miles? <Insert impressive meme here> :)
I'm just doing some math... for me to do that many miles in my Ford S-Max (not that we would because it averages low 20s mpg) it would cost me over 4.5K in petrol annually.

So with petrol prices taken to currently be £1.45 (I've not filled up for a few weeks but this was the last price I remember) £582 worth of petrol buys you 401 litres. Which is 88.2 gallons.
So to match your miles to GBP cost with your elec car, you'd have to have a petrol car that did 163 miles per gallon I make it.
Diesel would be about 172 mpg (used £1.53 as average price).

So if we assume the average modern day similarly spec'd ICE car would average 40mpg, you are still more than 4 times cheaper than fossil fuels. For now...
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Can confirm - my old E Class cost anywhere between £100 - £150 per tank depending on the cost of fuel, and would do roughly 750 miles. My Polestar costs £5 to fully charge and in the summer will get 250 miles, so £15 of electric to do the same distance.

In summary, it’s roughly 10% of the running costs at best. I’ve already saved over £2000 in 15k miles which has more than paid for the home charger and the two front tyres…

I doubt I’ll ever have to change the brakes either :D
 
Why are they so good on tyres though? I mean I get brakes obviously, but tyres... there's more weight and more torque typically going through them as well!?
 
So are we going to see lots of EVs built down to the super duper offer sale price of £39,999.99 due to the above mentioned lux car tax stuff? I know it's a first world problem as viewed by some, but paying an extra £50+ a month on tax for years is going to tip some over the edge of what if an affordable monthly finance amount for said new cars.
 
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Why are they so good on tyres though? I mean I get brakes obviously, but tyres... there's more weight and more torque typically going through them as well!?
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If you are cruising up and down motorways etc, you will hardly be using the power and its easy on tyres. We had pretty good tyre wear on EV tyres, it was potholes and kerbs that were the killer.

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So are we going to see lots of EVs built down to the super duper offer sale price of £39,999.99 due to the above mentioned lux car tax stuff? I know it's a first world problem as viewed by some, but paying an extra £50+ a month on tax for years is going to tip some over the edge of what if an affordable monthly finance amount for said new cars.
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Nope tax is your issue, manufacturers don't care, the tax rate on cars is peanuts compared to other countries.
 
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Why are they so good on tyres though? I mean I get brakes obviously, but tyres... there's more weight and more torque typically going through them as well!?
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EVs are not better than ICEVs on tyres..... as ever it comes down to how you drive, but i will say that in general the increased wearing out of tyres on EVs is overblown.

I dont drive like an angel, but my car is now over 49,000 miles and i think(not certain) is still on factory boots. i am due to replace them soon, i keep saying this but the damn things wont wear out!. I bought my car thinking i would have to replace them in a few months (so much so i tried to get the seller to replace them for me but he refused), that was 12 months and 8000 miles ago.

i think with tyres the compound on them as well as the meat sac pushing the go pedal makes far more difference than the weight of the car or the power driving the wheels.
Perhaps (just speculation) factory reccomended tyres for EVs are deliberately a harder compound? This would mean decreased performance i guess but i cant grumble about how quickly my car anchers up in a pinch, and i have not come close to losing it yet (touches plastic coated wood) , (i have goodyear eagle sport all season on my car and i will be getting like for like even tho i do not think they are the factory supplied tyre for my car any more)


FWIW i got really good miles out of my nissan 350z and in fact all my other cars as well.
 
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