Saving the planet, one year on

Django x2 said:
As an actual owner of the Enyaq (and not a two week, or even "long term" reviewer), I can hand on heart say this is nonsense. Even if it it does restrict full performance in some way, it is almost completely undiscernible from whatever "full performance" is. At the weekend, right down to 11pc charge, the car was delivering beyond satisfactory performance on the motorway when accelerating to join, or overtake. The only time I have felt the car purposefully restrict performance is when charge is below 10pc.
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I can only go on what I've read in reviews, but do you have a my23 version or a my24? As they completely changed the power outputs, thus the performance between the two models. I was actually going to buy a 2023 coupe sportline 80 as the salesperson was telling me it could all be updated OTA, however he rang me just before I was going to sign the paperwork that in fact they couldn't. So no deal as the car was far to slow to what I'm used to.
I have also been following forums of other EV's and they've been quoting similar experiences. They go to overtake and the power is just not there because of the battery levels.
 
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cuke2u said:
I can only go on what I've read in reviews, but do you have a my23 version or a my24? As they completely changed the power outputs, thus the performance between the two models. I was actually going to buy a 2023 coupe sportline 80 as the salesperson was telling me it could all be updated OTA, however he rang me just before I was going to sign the paperwork that in fact they couldn't. So no deal as the car was far to slow to what I'm used to.
I have also been following forums of other EV's and they've been quoting similar experiences. They go to overtake and the power is just not there because of the battery levels.
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I ordered it in 2022 and it arrive in June 2023, so I assume it is a 2023 model. It is not the latest variant, which has the 175kw charger. However, be mindful that the VRS wasn't available as an option until 2022/3 so there isn't a gen coupe before that. I can't comment for the lower spec models, although I have read about the OTA thing before. I don't have that issue, my OTA updates work, however, that isn't a generation thing, it's a spec and model variance thing.
 
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£20K depreciation in one year. I just can not get my head around that loss.

My parents saved their entire life to have enough spare to get a £23K campervan in their old age.
 
dave28 said:
£20K depreciation in one year. I just can not get my head around that loss.

My parents saved their entire life to have enough spare to get a £23K campervan in their old age.
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i agree its not sustainable and i feel sorry for anyone who got stung (to a lesser degree I did as well). there have definitely been some losers WRT depreciating cars however lets not forget for a number of years there have been a lot of winners as well.
 
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dave28 said:
£20K depreciation in one year. I just can not get my head around that loss.

My parents saved their entire life to have enough spare to get a £23K campervan in their old age.
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Yep, but I always then ask myself what car would I have driven around in for one year that cost £20k (that I would actually want and was in any way comparable), new, that would also incur depreciation (although at a lesser rate). It's best to think of depreciation as a percentage of cost, rather than a figure. If we take that to be 35pc in my example, then most likely any £20k new car I had desired would have depreciated by a similar amount (ie, now worth about £13.5k)

Also, for me, high depreciation is a good thing as this car was purchased through my LTD company. That means I got 100pc of my corporation tax liability back (of the value of the car - so, 19pc of £55k), which I then used as the deposit. When I "sell" the car, assuming it's to me, I will pay corporation tax on whatever it is worth (fair market value).
 
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Its not terrible really, more than half of that 20k is the tax loss. You buy expensive stuff it costs as it is used and wears, becomes worth less, end of story.
 
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Django x2 said:
I ordered it in 2022 and it arrive in June 2023, so I assume it is a 2023 model. It is not the latest variant, which has the 175kw charger. However, be mindful that the VRS wasn't available as an option until 2022/3 so there isn't a gen coupe before that. I can't comment for the lower spec models, although I have read about the OTA thing before. I don't have that issue, my OTA updates work, however, that isn't a generation thing, it's a spec and model variance thing.
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There are two generations of the vrs in the uk, the first, my23 had 295ps output and 459Nm torque.The my24 spec had 340ps and 460Nm. All the Enyaq Coupe's had tweaks to the power train. The Top Gear review described the vrs as "The vRS, however, is curiously unsatisfying. Because despite the promise of the performance badge it's a car that just doesn't want to be pushed. Flooring the accelerator pedal in the sportiest of drive modes leaves you feeling like you're on a roller coaster, thanks to all that torque on tap. But overall it's a fairly lame".

Performance aside the styling of the Enyaq is far more interesting than some of the hideous EV's currently on the market and is still my choice, unless something else in the future comes along, once I've ended the term of my replacement M235i in two years time. There is a facelift in the near future coming of the Enyaq and I'm hoping they up the anti in terms of interior trim quality as it currently cannot match my BMW that is cheaper than the entry level edition version of the Skoda with the same equipment.
 
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cuke2u said:
There are two generations of the vrs in the uk, the first, my23 had 295ps output and 459Nm torque.The my24 spec had 340ps and 460Nm. All the Enyaq Coupe's had tweaks to the power train. The Top Gear review described the vrs as "The vRS, however, is curiously unsatisfying. Because despite the promise of the performance badge it's a car that just doesn't want to be pushed. Flooring the accelerator pedal in the sportiest of drive modes leaves you feeling like you're on a roller coaster, thanks to all that torque on tap. But overall it's a fairly lame".

Performance aside the styling of the Enyaq is far more interesting than some of the hideous EV's currently on the market and is still my choice, unless something else in the future comes along, once I've ended the term of my replacement M235i in two years time. There is a facelift in the near future coming of the Enyaq and I'm hoping they up the anti in terms of interior trim quality as it currently cannot match my BMW that is cheaper than the entry level edition version of the Skoda with the same equipment.
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Exactly, two models. You were referring to a pre 23 model. There is no such thing. The Enyaq is older than that though, and other older models may well suck and providing full power all the time. The VRS doesn't suffer from that, as I say, at least not noticeably. Furthermore, although I have been keeping a close eye on the Top Gear review(s) their long term review is swapped between three different journalists, and they've all said something different about it. Sure, it's no rocket ship, but the way it delivers power is more than anybody would realistically conceive as dull or "lame".
 
Django x2 said:
Exactly, two models. You were referring to a pre 23 model. There is no such thing. The Enyaq is older than that though, and other older models may well suck and providing full power all the time. The VRS doesn't suffer from that, as I say, at least not noticeably. Furthermore, although I have been keeping a close eye on the Top Gear review(s) their long term review is swapped between three different journalists, and they've all said something different about it. Sure, it's no rocket ship, but the way it delivers power is more than anybody would realistically conceive as dull or "lame".
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I know how far back the ugly SUV goes, however we are in a thread about the coupe and I'm comparing the my23 vrs coupe with the my24 version, they are different in their powertrain setups and software.
Look if you're happy and contented with the performance of your car that's fine but I wouldn't be.
Even though an Enyaq Coupe is on my shortlist it would never be a vrs because, as the reviews have clearly pointed out, at over £54k they offer little benefit over a current 85 version and certainly the vrs is not anyway near my current vehicle that costs thousands less.
So be happy and enjoy!
 
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When you say you get 270 miles max, is that from 80% or 100% charge? Do manufacturers / I wish manufacturers would list the range of the car based on the recommended 80% typical charge.

Also how was the charging experience for the 10 times you were away from home (assuming public chargers?)
 
Cuke2U Not really clear whether you expect the same dynamic driving experience from an enyaq versus an M235i, one can give you an economic ownership & holiday trip through France down A7, and
the other, would be a riot for taking the Route Napoleon with, and detours on French cols.
 
almoststew1990 said:
When you say you get 270 miles max, is that from 80% or 100% charge? Do manufacturers / I wish manufacturers would list the range of the car based on the recommended 80% typical charge.

Also how was the charging experience for the 10 times you were away from home (assuming public chargers?)
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Recommended of 80% is for day to day commutes, long trips you charge to 100%

Don’t over complicate something, we have jpaul for that.
 
almoststew1990 said:
When you say you get 270 miles max, is that from 80% or 100% charge? Do manufacturers / I wish manufacturers would list the range of the car based on the recommended 80% typical charge.

Also how was the charging experience for the 10 times you were away from home (assuming public chargers?)
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whilst it is true for the work run i do only charge to 80%, when i am going to my folks or on another road trip i always top it off and am not worried in the slightest doing it.
after 49000 miles the car is still within a margin of error off what range it likely got new so for me going to 100% when needed is not a concern.

and when it isnt needed, well then it is irrelevant. 255 miles or 200 miles on the guessometer makes no odds when i am not even doing 25% of that.

and if you really need the 100% every day well..... again i would just do it. by the time the battery has worn out the savings made on fuel would likely more than cover a new battery.
 
rangor gubbins said:
Out of interest, how long until the battery will need to be replaced and what is the likely cost?
That is certainly one thing that puts me off an EV but I haven't done any research into the actual numbers.
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Industry standard is 8 years/100k miles warranty based (in the case of my Polestar) on the health dropping below 80% (I think).

I can’t see that figure without paying for diagnostic equipment, but judging by some high mileage Tesla’s out there that live off the supercharger network it probably isn’t something you need to worry about in the time you’ll own the car.

There are definitely things you can do to help prolong the life like keeping it between 20-80% charge where appropriate, not leaving it sat on 100% for prolonged periods, preconditioning it in cold weather etc - short of a physical fault in it though it isn’t something I worry about on a day to day basis any more than I did the complex internal of my combustion engines.

 
rangor gubbins said:
Out of interest, how long until the battery will need to be replaced and what is the likely cost?
That is certainly one thing that puts me off an EV but I haven't done any research into the actual numbers.
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battery in a new EV is expected to outlive the car in most circumstances and then possibly even go on to have 2nd life elsewhere.
most cars give a minimum of 8 years 100,000 miles warranty on the traction battery.
yes IF they fail they are eye watering (but coming down). the reality is most cars out of warranty with a failed battery will be sold for parts... but how often will a battery totally fail and not just need a few cells swapped out? I am thinking v rare, still expensive but so is a new gear box or engine.
Personally I am confident of the longevity of them.

if you do some research just don't dwell too much on the MK1 leafs. even they are lasting fairly okish but the tech in a modern battery is a different beast to those.

the problem. is most of the popular media which will come up on a quick Google will be for oil sponsored FUD makers like the daily express and what not. click baity negative crap always gets more clicks than positive stuff as well so you get more of it and when someone line Rowan Atkinson comes up with demonstrably crap comments, they are posted as fact where as the other side is not represented anywhere near as well
people.like me are not guilt free either. mostly to counter the fud I will likely post sources such as stop burning stuff and fully charged /everything electric but equally they gloss over the issues a little too (but not even close to as rubbish as the usual nonsense from the other side)
 
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