Saving the planet, one year on

D-Ranged said:
And there lies the problem.
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unless they introduce per mile driving (and if they do then i would hope it would be on all cars not just EVs which would mean EVs still keep their cheap electricity advantage) then it will be difficult to increase the energy cost for EVs which are charged at home........ its not like they can put red dye in the electrons.

Smart chargers could probably record how much energy they deliver but if they do that i would just get a dumb charge point installed.

The national grid needs EVs tobe charged off peak to break the back of the duck curve..... so i do not see time of use tariffs going anywhere myself (tho the price difference may shrink)
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
Yeah exactly. Adaptive so measures and adjusts as appropriate without user input.
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don't they/enyaqvrs have possibility for driver to set softness/hardness on active dampers .... so like with id3 say,
you might choose a cheaper car with smaller wheels for uk pot-holed roads or if you have the more expensive adaptive you could have big wheels without loosing passenger comfort,
because damper will prevent shock getting to cabin.
(so like on bmw's I wouldn't want more rigid M suspension w/big wheels unless I had active dampers too, to tone ride down on poor roads, where many users set to soft)
 
I test drove some Enyaq's this year, love the looks but what put me off was that pre24 vrs models could only use their potential performance if the battery conditions were right, imagine having a restriction like that in a ICE car. Plus the cars are expensive for what they are, the pcp deals had a huge final payment and weren't competitive enough with a high contribution from myself, £7k, as a deposit plus my car.
No EV for me for the next three years as I've ordered a replacement M235i...
 
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I had a my23 VRS Enyaq standard SUV version, and it was a cracking car tbh, interior is better than the ID4/5 in the main. I didnt like some of the plastics, but thats me being overly critical. Mine had 21" wheel and the ride was really good, handled well enough in the twisties, not as good as my 330e, but pretty respectable. The speed is overkill tbh, but can be fun. i found the economy pretty decent, 3.4m/kwh at around 6-7 degrees. Software was also fine, no gripes from me.

I would have gone for one in red, but the ID7 deal was too good to turn down.
 
Penfold101 said:
Can confirm - my old E Class cost anywhere between £100 - £150 per tank depending on the cost of fuel, and would do roughly 750 miles. My Polestar costs £5 to fully charge and in the summer will get 250 miles, so £15 of electric to do the same distance.
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Depends on how that 750 miles is used though, its no good if you want to do a long tour of europe, then you will need to pay public charger costs. Diesels might be horrible rattly old things, but they do the long distance thing very well. I was pricing up a trip to France in the summer in an Ev, and the 825 mile round trip is going to cost me £110, and an additional 1hr30 in time, im prepared to make the sacrifice, but many arent. Looking at the bigger picture, the extra time on a journey you may do 2 or 3 times a year, is worth, then the rest of your journeys are so much cheaper and hassle free.
 
cuke2u said:
, imagine having a restriction like that in a ICE car.
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ice cars have the issue of having to let the engine warm up before giving it the full beans)

also BMW launch control on ICE cars.... Not certain what cars it's on but according to my mate it is on his M2

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In order to avoid premature component wear, the drive-off with launch control is only available 100 times over the service life of the Sports automatic transmission and cannot be reset by Service.
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Tinders said:
Depends on how that 750 miles is used though, its no good if you want to do a long tour of europe, then you will need to pay public charger costs. Diesels might be horrible rattly old things, but they do the long distance thing very well. I was pricing up a trip to France in the summer in an Ev, and the 825 mile round trip is going to cost me £110, and an additional 1hr30 in time, im prepared to make the sacrifice, but many arent. Looking at the bigger picture, the extra time on a journey you may do 2 or 3 times a year, is worth, then the rest of your journeys are so much cheaper and hassle free.
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Agreed, but using public chargers is the very rare exception, and any time I have to use them I don’t mind because of the savings I’ve already made. In a similar vein, a 750 mile road trip would cost more and take a bit longer, but would be the rare exception. If your weekly drive is 750 miles of public charging, then EV’s may not yet be ideal for you…

Like petrol and diesel, EV is just another option for everyone’s individual circumstances.
 
bigmike20vt said:
ice cars have the issue of having to let the engine warm up before giving it the full beans)

also BMW launch control on ICE cars.... Not certain what cars it's on but according to my mate it is on his M2

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In order to avoid premature component wear, the drive-off with launch control is only available 100 times over the service life of the Sports automatic transmission and cannot be reset by Service.
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Yes I tend to wait until the oil temperature is high enough, but then I can choose to ignore it if I wish. That isn't the same as the car preventing me from using more power is it? Imagine trying to do to overtake and the car just says no you can't just at the point of commiting?
I can still use the full power of my car even if the low fuel light is low.

Sorry but who goes around using launch control much anyway, I don't feel the need to perform some kind of drag race at every traffic light, I don't need to.

However it's not me stating that power is limited in the vrs as is noted in many reviews of the Enyaq vrs pre23 that full power is only available in limited conditions and when the battery has charged to at least 88%. I don't doubt that the lower the battery goes the less performance is available. Thus the further you travel the less performance the slower you are forced to drive, which in turn can also be affected by the ambient conditions also. Not that pre my24 versions were that quick anyway.

At least the Enyaq coupe is one of the better looking ev's than other suv abominations that are available...
 
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bigmike20vt said:
unless they introduce per mile driving (and if they do then i would hope it would be on all cars not just EVs which would mean EVs still keep their cheap electricity advantage) then it will be difficult to increase the energy cost for EVs which are charged at home........ its not like they can put red dye in the electrons.

Smart chargers could probably record how much energy they deliver but if they do that i would just get a dumb charge point installed.

The national grid needs EVs tobe charged off peak to break the back of the duck curve..... so i do not see time of use tariffs going anywhere myself (tho the price difference may shrink)
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I don't think they'll increase the energy cost, they'll just slap taxes on them in some other way.

I have seen talk of a tyre particle tax, because that's the new thing killing everyone apparently. But that will also be all cars.
 
Tinders said:
Depends on how that 750 miles is used though, its no good if you want to do a long tour of europe, then you will need to pay public charger costs. Diesels might be horrible rattly old things, but they do the long distance thing very well. I was pricing up a trip to France in the summer in an Ev, and the 825 mile round trip is going to cost me £110, and an additional 1hr30 in time, im prepared to make the sacrifice, but many arent. Looking at the bigger picture, the extra time on a journey you may do 2 or 3 times a year, is worth, then the rest of your journeys are so much cheaper and hassle free.
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Except France electricity is dirt cheap? Like 33p/kWh at many Aire services on the autoroute.
 
If I had the cash for a new car it would certainly be a EV.
Alas. My lack of milage and lack of desire for an expensive car means an EV is not in the best future

Love the colour of that your car
 
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Tinders said:
Depends on how that 750 miles is used though, its no good if you want to do a long tour of europe, then you will need to pay public charger costs. Diesels might be horrible rattly old things, but they do the long distance thing very well. I was pricing up a trip to France in the summer in an Ev, and the 825 mile round trip is going to cost me £110, and an additional 1hr30 in time, im prepared to make the sacrifice, but many arent. Looking at the bigger picture, the extra time on a journey you may do 2 or 3 times a year, is worth, then the rest of your journeys are so much cheaper and hassle free.
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Agree too on the ev benefit - will you put additional contingency time for shuttle/ferry departure times in case of any charger queues, or, sea booking has flexibility.
Last time I took ferry there was a hard driving target for an early morning return crossing, albeit, a night time recharge would probably be deterministic.
 
cuke2u said:
Yes I tend to wait until the oil temperature is high enough, but then I can choose to ignore it if I wish. That isn't the same as the car preventing me from using more power is it? Imagine trying to do to overtake and the car just says no you can't just at the point of commiting?
I can still use the full power of my car even if the low fuel light is low.

Sorry but who goes around using launch control much anyway, I don't feel the need to perform some kind of drag race at every traffic light, I don't need to.

However it's not me stating that power is limited in the vrs as is noted in many reviews of the Enyaq vrs pre23 that full power is only available in limited conditions and when the battery has charged to at least 88%. I don't doubt that the lower the battery goes the less performance is available. Thus the further you travel the less performance the slower you are forced to drive, which in turn can also be affected by the ambient conditions also. Not that pre my24 versions were that quick anyway.

At least the Enyaq coupe is one of the better looking ev's than other suv abominations that are available...
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As an actual owner of the Enyaq (and not a two week, or even "long term" reviewer), I can hand on heart say this is nonsense. Even if it it does restrict full performance in some way, it is almost completely undiscernible from whatever "full performance" is. At the weekend, right down to 11pc charge, the car was delivering beyond satisfactory performance on the motorway when accelerating to join, or overtake. The only time I have felt the car purposefully restrict performance is when charge is below 10pc.
 
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