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dirtydog said:That sentence contradicts itself
The first part is what i have been stressing all along while the immigration part is what some have suggested i.e deal with natives and immigrant same time....I dunno. Tha's why i told him to read the thread.
ElRazur said:
Maybe it should be you who reads the thread.
I've asked this question a couple of times. Maybe we should sort out both our own domestic problems and immigration at the same time. Surely you can see that immigrants come here and commit crime?
Infact I would go as far as saying that if we had a tighter immigration policy then PC sharon Beshenivsky might still be alive.
wordy said:
Look man, i dunno what you are trying to get up to but here is my final answer. Our place is messed up - lets sort it out instead of blaming immigrants period. You suggested we do both at the same time right? well i dont have any qualms with that but i still think the House should come first.
I never argued that immigrant dont come here to commit crime...even our own people do violent crimes too.
As for sharon's death...You never know. Perhaps it was her destiniy to go that way?
ElRazur said:Look man, i dunno what you are trying to get up to but here is my final answer. Our place is messed up - lets sort it out instead of blaming immigrants period. You suggested we do both at the same time right? well i dont have any qualms with that but i still think the House should come first.
I never argued that immigrant dont come here to commit crime...even our own people do violent crimes too.
As for sharon's death...You never know. Perhaps it was her destiniy to go that way?
What I'm trying to get up to is to get you to explain your opinion a little better, I honestly don't see your logic
Maybe someone else could help me out here, because you're not making any sense
I'll tell you what, lets see you explain that to PC sharon Beshenivsky's husband and children..."hey your wife/mother has been killed by a murderer while he was robbing a shop, he also shouldn't have been in the country in the fisrt place..... but you know, maybe it was her destiny
lets see you keep that attitude if your g/f child get killed in that manner
I was honestly trying to understand what you were posting in this thread, but judging by your last statement, I obviously won't because you are quite clearly a moron
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wordy said:What I'm trying to get up to is to get you to explain your opinion a little better, I honestly don't see your logic
Maybe someone else could help me out here, because you're not making any sense
I'll tell you what, lets see you explain that to PC sharon Beshenivsky's husband and children..."hey your wife/mother has been killed by a murderer while he was robbing a shop, he also shouldn't have been in the country in the fisrt place..... but you know, maybe it was her destiny
lets see you keep that attitude if your g/f child get killed in that manner
I was honestly trying to understand what you were posting in this thread, but judging by your last statement, I obviously won't because you are quite clearly a moron
Either you are thick headed or an idiot. I made a thread about how we should quit blaming immigrant for our problems when clearly we need to put our own country in order. I used an example of racial attacks to potray some of the problem we have here....How clear cut do you want me to get? Funny thing is some peole was able to understand what i was getting across while people like you moan about racial attacks on white people and what not.
Dont get me wrong racial attacks happen - a key problem in this country that need sorting.
Anyway you come along asking questions about how we should tackle both natives and immigrant etc and as soon as i agree with you, you carry on ranting about how i dont make sense. Ok mate, next time i wont.
As for sharon's issue aint that part of the in house problems that needs sorting? Who makes lax immigration rules? who gives hand out to the immigrant? who gives them benefits and rehouse them? If you dont know the answer it is US who did. I see that as part of the in-house problem that needs sorting and if that has been done perhaps the killers wont be here?
Is it hard for you to see the logic that we have fundmental problems in this country which i can argue allows immigrants to do what they want and what not? Let me stress again that until we sort out the in-house problems there will be more sharon-like death simple. Take it, leave it or call me an idiot but it is clear cut.
Please look up what destiny means and if it offends you that much, use your vote to sort out part of the in-house problem.
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forgive my ignorance, was the killer in the case above a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant?
btw Sharon Beshenivsky is not an english name, which leads me to believe she was either immigrant, married to an immigrant of of immigrant decent.
just like the rest of you lot...
btw Sharon Beshenivsky is not an english name, which leads me to believe she was either immigrant, married to an immigrant of of immigrant decent.
just like the rest of you lot...
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dirtydog said:
What about the person who has to live with someone's death on his conscience for the rest of his life after a Sikh on a motorcycle appeared at the last moment? Sikh dies when under normal circumstances he would have survived wearing a helmet. Its not just the Sikh's own good that he wears a helmet.
I remember a few years ago before the nuke we had a thread on kirpans and turbans. Was quite interesting. Not sure if we had one recently or not :-/
Stupid comment on Sharon Beshenivsky's death by the way...
Wordy and Dirty Dog = correct .
Now I remember an Asian girl was suspended as she wouldn't remove her outfit. So she took it to court and had OUR COUNTRIES rules changed, so basically they can wear what they want in school while the rest of us should wear uniform.
Disgrace. Back to it, if they don't like it go home.
Slightly off topic but just to raise another issue in America....The Cube like building that Apple created in New York, Muslims have blasted Apple saying it offends them due to it being in the same shape as a worship building in Afghanistan or wherever.
Muslims offended by Christmas in Australia:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009276.php
.Now I remember an Asian girl was suspended as she wouldn't remove her outfit. So she took it to court and had OUR COUNTRIES rules changed, so basically they can wear what they want in school while the rest of us should wear uniform.
Disgrace. Back to it, if they don't like it go home.
Slightly off topic but just to raise another issue in America....The Cube like building that Apple created in New York, Muslims have blasted Apple saying it offends them due to it being in the same shape as a worship building in Afghanistan or wherever.
Muslims offended by Christmas in Australia:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009276.php
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You're thinking of the Ka'bah, located near Mecca.
To be honest that would be a tiny minority complaining about that.
To be honest that would be a tiny minority complaining about that.
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Macabre said:Wordy and Dirty Dog = correct
Now I remember an Asian girl was suspended as she wouldn't remove her outfit. So she took it to court and had OUR COUNTRIES rules changed, so basically they can wear what they want in school while the rest of us should wear uniform.
Disgrace. Back to it, if they don't like it go home.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009276.php
not being funny but if she was born in this country where would she then go? home - as in back to her house or what?
dont get me wrong, i am not in agreement with the decisions that have been made, but question who is making them, and why.
Macabre said:Wordy and Dirty Dog = correct
Now I remember an Asian girl was suspended as she wouldn't remove her outfit. So she took it to court and had OUR COUNTRIES rules changed, so basically they can wear what they want in school while the rest of us should wear uniform.
Disgrace. Back to it, if they don't like it go home.
Slightly off topic but just to raise another issue in America....The Cube like building that Apple created in New York, Muslims have blasted Apple saying it offends them due to it being in the same shape as a worship building in Afghanistan or wherever.
Muslims offended by Christmas in Australia:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009276.php
Your obviously an idiot seeing as that link quite clearly says that the Islamic Council of Queensland categorically says that muslims have no right whatsoever to ask for xmas to be re-named.
Think before you spout off crap and read the whole article as well...its only a few muslims...stupid and idiotic of them to ask for such a change. Wish people would stop tarring all muslims with the same goddamn brush
Seems like quite a few convicts there are as dumb and stupid like their british counterparts....
ElRazur said:
I've never blamed a immigrant for a problem that a British person has created, I have also never felt guilt for a problem that an immgrant has created. No one here blame immigrants for all our problems we blame them for problems they cause.
Also I've not moaned about racial attacks against whites in this thread,
ElRazur said:
Agreed
ElRazur said:
I haven't ranted about you not making sense, all I've done regarding that is ask you to rephrase what you've written so I, personally may understand you better
And from our exachanges I think it's pretty clear I'm not your mate.
You've just contradicted yourself in the 1st paragraph of this post were you say.
and what you've just said in the previous papargraphElRazur said:
ElRazur said:
ElRazur said:
You seem to be of the opinion that due to our lax immigrant policy that it's our fault when immigrants come here commit crime.
Not true, people are responisble for their own actions. We haven't made them come here and commit crime. I'll conceed that while a tougher immigrantion ploicy might have prevented them coming here, the final blame for an indiviuals actions lies with that individual, a slack immigration policy didn't make Jamma kill a police wowan.
ElRazur said:
Is it so hard for you to see that I have said from the start we need to sort out our policies towards crime and immigration at the same time
I called you a moron for stating maybe it was destiny that she was shot to death while trying to stop criminals robbing a shop. Again would you be satisfied to state it was destiny if your house was broken into and your family brutally murdered? It isn't destiny, people make choices, the murderer killed her, it's that simple.
ElRazur said:Please look up what destiny means and if it offends you that much, use your vote to sort out part of the in-house problem.
Destiny isn't part of our in house problem, crime is who ever it was commited by, as is immigrantion, and I will be using my vote to try sort out the problems. Exactly the same as I did last time
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Macabre said:
I think we just hit the motherload as far as those smug PC apologists are concerned, so often their first defence is to blame anyone or anything else. Muslims actively trying to change Christmas, a very good indicator of attitudes within Islam.
people get attacked cos of their religion, race, cos they gave someone a wrong look, cos they were an unlucky victim of a drunk attack, in the wrong place at the wrong time, ALL OF IT IS WRONG yes
fact is whoever does the attack is the one who is in the wrong, it doesnt matter if they are british or from another country
another pointless thread looking for an arguement
fact is whoever does the attack is the one who is in the wrong, it doesnt matter if they are british or from another country
another pointless thread looking for an arguement
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cleanbluesky said:
so please tell us, when were the "conventions" of Xmas set out exactly? who were they set out by and for what purpose? - it goes something along the lines of, Pagan worship festival - encompassed by the christian religions - manhandled by capitalism - but no one seemed to really kick up a fuss, care or even question what xmas is about these days, apart from a "given" work holiday where presents are involved...