Send them back

dirtydog · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:12

yer_averagejoe said:
Its not a case of "bring the immigrant in if we need him" its a case of one human being over another

Yes, and rightly so. We must put the lives and rights of Britons ahead of other nationalities otherwise what is the point of having a country? Would you prefer if we let ANYONE come here who wants to? Because a few billion from the third world would be flooding here I can tell you.

As to why they're coming to our country - because they can? Because its better here? Makes sense to me.

I know very well why they are coming here - to work and earn money, which benefits employers by providing cheap labour and benefits the immigrants by giving them money - most of which they send OUT OF THE COUNTRY so employing immigrants is of far less benefit to the UK than employing natives, who spend most or all of their money back in this country again.

yer_averagejoe · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:12

Jokester said:
So you think we should throw our borders open and to hell with the consequences?

Jokester

throwing our borders open would lead to population problems and a struggle to keep up with the increase. Limitations have to be set in place and I respect this but when a large group come here (like the recent introduction of the polish) and it disrupts the balance slightly, I do not believe they should not be welcome and hate mongering newspapers should twist the british mind into thinking otherwise.

cleanbluesky · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:18

yer_averagejoe said:
hate mongering newspapers should twist the british mind into thinking otherwise.

It's funny how people 'blame the media' only when an opinion they disagree with is printed. Not even opinion sometimes, when a story that would upset the way they want to see the world is printed, it suddenly becomes the fault of the media

dirtydog · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:21

yer_averagejoe said:
I do not believe they should not be welcome and hate mongering newspapers should twist the british mind into thinking otherwise.

Maybe it is pro-immigration newspapers which are twisting people into supporting it? :confused:

I've lost track of the amount of pro-immigration rubbish I've read

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:24

Captain Planet said:
A white man was stabbed 13 times, bundled into a car and dumped somewhere whilst burning in petrol by a group of Asian men. Grr RA RAAA! GRR!! . So what is your point?

I think he got off lightly with a haircut

From memory he wasa 15 year old boy and he died stabbed, on fire and alone in a park.

cleanbluesky · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:26

VIRII said:
From memory he wasa 15 year old boy and he died stabbed, on fire and alone in a park.

I'm curious as to whether coverage of this story would have been what yer_averagjoe and a few others on here consider the media 'twisting' opinion against immigrants

Perhaps that is why it wasn't covered much at the time, so as not to 'rock the boat'

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:26

ElRazur said:
Again im misunderstood or perhaps i didnt make myself clear enough. What im saying is simple - Fix home first then blame anyone who comes to mess it up after.

I aint insinuating anything but saying what i see here.

Cobblers. Why should you ignore external issues before you sort out home issues.
If the issue happens in this land it is a home issue, even if the people involved are not from here.

PureAppleJuice · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:30

Hasn't that kid just confessed he made it up?

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:36

ElRazur said:
Im saying sort lets out our own house first then tackle other problems that we seem to blame on immigrants. Is that hard to understand....Jeez, im the one with english as a second language you know..

immigrants ARE our problem when they are in this country...........

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:38

ElRazur said:
I agree man, i mean how does the UK government expect people to feel when it appears that migrant are somehow favoured over those we work hard and whot not over benefits, housing, healthcare...Just read some of the post in here to give you a feel. The earlier we get our house in order the easier it would be to tackle things like immigrartion.

We do not need to sort out the welfare state BEFORE we sort out immigration.
The 2 are seperate issues and immigration needs to be sorted out as a priority regardless. Failing that we will have a serious social problem on our hands shortly after the next deep recession.

starscream · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:42

cleanbluesky said:
Perhaps that is why it wasn't covered much at the time, so as not to 'rock the boat'

Assume you are talking about the Kriss Donald case? I don't understand why everone says this. It was covered extensively in the media, just have a look on the BBC website, there are many stories from the when the attack happened through to the convictions. It may have had slightly more coverage in Scotland due to the location, but to say it "wasn't covered much" is not true.

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:44

Psycho Sonny said:
first of all i am a sikh, i cut my hair, but in my religion you are not supposed to cut any hair on your body, you are supposed to leave your body the way god intended it to be, therefore the boy who had his hair cut in this attack it could be the very first time ever that his hair has been cut, this will cause an outrage within the sikh community, its like feeding pork to a muslim, or raping someone inside a church, maybe you should learn about other people's religions before making such stupid comments, it is most likely that they knew he was sikh in fact i would bet on it, its also very likely they knew he wasnt allowed to cut his hair, when these sorts of attacks against sikhs happen its because he looked like a "terrorist", sikhs are not muslims and sikhs have been fighting against muslims for the past 500 years because of the terrorism they have inflicted on our people.

Actually can you explain to me why anyone SHOULD know, learn or give a flying toss about immigrant religion?
If people come here it is on them to ensure they do not offend and are aware of the laws and culture.
I do not see why those who have the immigrant imposed upon them should have to know or learn anything about that persons religion or beliefs. If the immigrant is offended by others lack of knowledge of his way of life then maybe he should find a more suitable place to live.

dirtydog · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:46

starscream said:
Assume you are talking about the Kriss Donald case? I don't understand why everone says this. It was covered extensively in the media, just have a look on the BBC website, there are many stories from the when the attack happened through to the convictions. It may have had slightly more coverage in Scotland due to the location, but to say it "wasn't covered much" is not true.

It didn't quite get the same coverage as Stephen Lawrence or Damilola Taylor though...

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:46

ElRazur said:
Perhaps an anti-pagan way is not the word.....what if a huge fat hairy german man raped you? This goes against you own sense of sexuality....

Then I guess it would not be considered racist or some sort of religious hate crime..... and I would far prefer to have my hair cut

starscream · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:47

VIRII said:
Actually can you explain to me why anyone SHOULD know, learn or give a flying toss about immigrant religion?

No reason at all, but like any subject, it is better to be enlightened than have a closed mind.

VIRII · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:48

ElRazur said:
No No No! but he was assualted in a way so as to disrespect his religion.

He had his hair cut. If he places extra special importance on his hair that is his problem. Far worse could have happened to him, so why is this hair cut such a big deal compared to being burned alive for example?

starscream · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:50

dirtydog said:
It didn't quite get the same coverage as Stephen Lawrence or Damilola Taylor though...

Because it was an open and shut case. The SL case had many arrests, releases, charges, dropped charges and a while public enquirey into the conduct of the police.

If the perpetrators were caught, tried and sentenced in the same way as in the Kriss Donald case, it would have received far less media attention.

Jokester · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:50

VIRII, I should probably point out at this point that the kid admitted to lying about it.

Jokester

KNiVES · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:50

He had his hair cut. If he places extra special importance on his hair that is his problem. Far worse could have happened to him, so why is this hair cut such a big deal compared to being burned alive for example?

Because the media made it an especially big deal that the 'teen yobs' deliberately cut his hair in defiance of religion etc.

cleanbluesky · 24 Dec 2006 at 13:53

starscream said:
No reason at all, but like any subject, it is better to be enlightened than have a closed mind.

I think what DD is asking is whether we should automatically respect the ideologies of others, and whether we should take greater than average effort to learn the intricacies of these ideologies?

It is not a question of 'enlightened' versus 'closed mind' - I do not know the manufacturing process of a packet of cigarettes, I will likely not be 'enlightened' should I know, nor does it make me 'closed minded' not to know. I merely do not consider the information neccessary