Seriously ****** off - been threatened with the police by college.

Telescopi said:
Like speed cameras save lives?
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If you are suggesting most of us believe that they do, then I think you will find our collective sentiments are more the opposite.

(though in some cases they unquestionable do help, just not many, however that's not really what this thread is about)
 
Telescopi

OK you kid yourself with that, and tell it to my lasses parents.

Drink Driving or Drunk Driving how ever you want to put it is illegal and is so for a reason.

I agree with you on the truck driving front though, not enough effort is put into stopping truckers whom have been driving for well over the time period their allowed to on stretch, it wouldnt be that difficult for the police to check up on the drivers as their taco graph is supposed to tell all. And any alterations or failure to use one has heavy penalites as far as i am aware.
 
Ah, I love all the forum do-gooders.

I did ask in my first post if I was likely to be over, but no one commented, so I tried to work it out.

All the sites I've just looked at suggest you get rid of one unit per hour after the first drink, so that's what I went with. Is it accurate, who knows? I couldn't really give a ****.

I used this to work it out. Even with the extra 2.5 units for the Stella, that would still mean I was under the limit.

No doubt someone will try and prove me wrong now.

It's obvious to me that all this is very unclear. Everyone should be made to buy home tester kits or something. If I was over the limit that morning, you can guarantee many other people on this forum have probably, unknowingly done the same thing.
 
Telescopi said:
I do wish people would get off the band wagon, drunk driving is bad, drink driving is a grey area you have all been brain washed into equating with drunk driving.

I'd rather be driving behind someone who had a skinful the night before but a good nights sleep than someone who stayed up all night but was tee total.

Why not get on the case of the truck drivers breaking the law by driving all day and all night? They cause massive pile ups on motorways killing scores of people.

Why not? Because the government and the media haven't told you to yet.
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I can see where you're coming from, but you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

Because alcohol affects people in different ways, the limit is such that it's low enough not for some people who it affects badly (i.e. lightweights :D) not to be on allowed on the roads.
 
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With all the adverts and media coverage on drink driving you would think driving the day after would have at least been mentioned at least once.

I have never drove my car, not once, after drinking any amount of alcohol however..... I have driven the morning after countless times and until reading this thread I had no idea that I could still be over the limit. I am not a stupid or ignorant person I have just never bothered to look into it before and it has never ever been mentioned on anything I have seen in relation to drink driving. It has never even crossed my mind I could be over the limit as I never have any kind of hangover and can't even tell I have been drinkng. I do think I have a fast metabolism though so maybe that is why.

If I have worked this out right.... even if I have say 6 pints, then get up to go to work 8-9 hours later I will still be over the limit... ?? Sorry, but if I had an accident the morning after that it certainly wouldn't be alcohol related.
 
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T-Bag said:
If I have worked this out right.... even if I have say 6 pints, then get up to go to work 8-9 hours later I will still be over the limit... ?? Sorry, but if I had an accident the morning after that it certainly wouldn't be alcohol related.
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How on earth can you possibly know that? It's not a case of feeling drunk, it's a case of having diminished reactions and so on. I'm really surprised you haven't heard about driving the morning after before, I'm sure I've been warmed that quite a few times.
 
For the record - while I whole heartedly despise the knee jerk agenda being peddled I am a safe driver.

I have called a taxi for work on occasions where I have not felt safe to drive.

I pull into the services around lancashire almost every time I'm driving back from the lake district - as I get tired after a weekend away and don't feel safe.

I trust my fellow man to make that decision and feel the governments safety campaigns damage peoples perception of safety. If your not speeding or drinking your okay - I get told it so often it must be true.

Then you drive back after a weekend of climbing and bad sleep and drift into someone elses lane killing a dozen people - yeah great, another one in the name of safety.
 
Shock said:
Ah, I love all the forum do-gooders.

I did ask in my first post if I was likely to be over, but no one commented, so I tried to work it out.

All the sites I've just looked at suggest you get rid of one unit per hour after the first drink, so that's what I went with. Is it accurate, who knows? I couldn't really give a ****.

I used this to work it out. Even with the extra 2.5 units for the Stella, that would still mean I was under the limit.

No doubt someone will try and prove me wrong now.

It's obvious to me that all this is very unclear. Everyone should be made to buy home tester kits or something. If I was over the limit that morning, you can guarantee many other people on this forum have probably, unknowingly done the same thing.
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So ignorance is bliss? If that's all it takes to justify it to yourself, fine. Whatever the morality, I think you will find that it's very easy to still have over the legal limit of alcohol in your blood stream the morning after the night before. "I feel fine, honest guv!" isn't gonna stand a shred of chance in court.
 
T-bag,


thats the problem, if you did have an accident the morning after it could possibly be related.

Think about it, you drive down the same road every day, come to the same junction every day, you have a quick glance, pull out and SMACK!! a biker slams into the side of your car.

Now being a careful driver you would look an such, as like any driver you can make mistakes, but the drink still being processed by your liver can still slow down your reactions or still slightly cloud your judgement.

Again the above could apply to driving while tired, or just just not being a careful driver in the first place.
 
Telescopi said:
For the record - while I whole heartedly despise the knee jerk agenda being peddled I am a safe driver.

I have called a taxi for work on occasions where I have not felt safe to drive.

I pull into the services around lancashire almost every time I'm driving back from the lake district - as I get tired after a weekend away and don't feel safe.

I trust my fellow man to make that decision and feel the governments safety campaigns damage peoples perception of safety. If your not speeding or drinking your okay - I get told it so often it must be true.

Then you drive back after a weekend of climbing and bad sleep and drift into someone elses lane killing a dozen people - yeah great, another one in the name of safety.
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What are you actually saying?

I think what you are saying is the same as others in this thread, that both drink driving and driving tired are bad, rather than detracting from how bad DD is you want to emphasis another bad thing? No problem there, but it sounded like you were condoning DD in your earlier post which surprised me tbh.

MB
 
T-Bag said:
If I have worked this out right.... even if I have say 6 pints, then get up to go to work 8-9 hours later I will still be over the limit... ?? Sorry, but if I had an accident the morning after that it certainly wouldn't be alcohol related.
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If you have 6 pints you are processing the alcohol from pint 1 the minute you start.

Your liver may be slow, it may be fast - what you eat as well as your sex, age and health affect it greatly. Sleeping seems to speed it up too.

If you wake up and feel no effects (and by that I mean balance, coordination, speed of thought) then you are okay to drive. If you don't trust your judgement or need some backup get a breathayser - but get a good one not a ten quid one from the gizmo shop.
 
Telescopi said:
For the record - while I whole heartedly despise the knee jerk agenda being peddled I am a safe driver.

I have called a taxi for work on occasions where I have not felt safe to drive.

I pull into the services around lancashire almost every time I'm driving back from the lake district - as I get tired after a weekend away and don't feel safe.

I trust my fellow man to make that decision and feel the governments safety campaigns damage peoples perception of safety. If your not speeding or drinking your okay - I get told it so often it must be true.

Then you drive back after a weekend of climbing and bad sleep and drift into someone elses lane killing a dozen people - yeah great, another one in the name of safety.
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Very true, but that's really addressing a wider issue is it not?
 
PinkPig said:
How on earth can you possibly know that? It's not a case of feeling drunk, it's a case of having diminished reactions and so on. I'm really surprised you haven't heard about driving the morning after before, I'm sure I've been warmed that quite a few times.
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Obviously I was aware that if it was a really heavy night you would still be unfit to drive. Many times I used to take the bus into work rather than driving the morning after if I had drunk a lot the previous night. What I mean was I was never aware that drinking so litle could mean you was still over the legal limit the following morning.

It's different for different people though I guess. I am obviously never ever going to try it but I am sure I could drive perfect even when really drunk :p With the amount of morons I see on the road every day, the last thing anyone needs to be worrying about is me driving to work on a Sunday morning after having several pints down the pub on Saturday night.

Can we buy breathalysers anywhere :D
 
Telescopi i agree with what your saying, not enough emphasis is put on dangers on the road as a whole.

I think it is something the government do intend to clamp down on, prime example that lass who got done for driving while trying to put on her make up.

Funny how 2 weeks later she got banned anyway for driving while well over the limit.

Its people like that, that shouldnt be on the road.
 
PinkPig said:
I am having a go at you though, Shock.
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LOL.

May I ask why? I felt fine that morning, t'internet suggests I was under the limit, I had 7ish hours sleep which may also speed up the process according to Telescopi.

At this rate, all the hardcore drinkers who go on long sessions, shouldn't be allowed to touch their car for the whole weekend.
 
Matblack said:
What are you actually saying?

I think what you are saying is the same as others in this thread, that both drink driving and driving tired are bad, rather than detracting from how bad DD is you want to emphasis another bad thing? No problem there, but it sounded like you were condoning DD in your earlier post which surprised me tbh.

MB
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I don't like black and white borders - it's never true, it just reinforces bad stereotypes and gives a false sense of security.

My view harks back to a gentler time where you would get a little tipsy, and drive home at a bit of a crawl. It did no-one any harm but in my opinion a few idiots spoiled it for the majority.

A few idiots.... spoiled football for the majority for many years, it's still not great.

A few idiots.... give car enthusiasts a bad reputation.

A few idiots.... give immigrant workers a bad name (plus a bit more media hysteria)

I think I have an objective view of the world and it worries me when I see other people losing their's.
 
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