Shark Attack - your thoughts?

Fuzz · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:20

I dive in water that is someone elses home, I've got to expect the inevitable one day..

I wouldn't want the predator killed just because it thought I was a free lunch.

Life is full of risks, bring it on and I'll suffer the consequences gladly.

For those thinking diving alone is wrong I guess you have been under PADI instruction way too long.
The best dives you'll ever have are the ones you dive on your own.

My logbook is full of signatures of a buddy called Solomon.

Nvidiot · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:21

AcidHell2 said:
you have done a u-turn on and agree with me.

Where? please point it out, I have asked many questions in this thread which yet remain un answered by you.

Im still waiting for you to explain your difference between Modern and Ancestor.

asim18 · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:21

[Death];20380829 said:
the sea is a hunting ground / resource, its not a natural human place to be, u cant wake up under water and swim down the shops, we are land mamals, thats natural to us, and forget all the creatures ure on about, we are talking about a shark, 1 thing that lives, breathes, kills , produces offsring in water!

Exactly.

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:21

[Death];20380829 said:
the sea is a hunting ground / resource, its not a natural human place to be, u cant wake up under water and swim down the shops, we are land mamals, thats natural to us, and forget all the creatures ure on about, we are talking about a shark, 1 thing that lives, breathes, kills , produces offsring in water!

If its a hunting ground, it is a natural territory. It how ever is not a natural habitat. Hence we can't wake up under sea. The two are different.

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:22

Nvidiot said:
Where? please point it out, I have asked many questions in this thread which yet remain un answered by you.

So you agree using tools which is learnt, but say If we learn to swim it can be considered natural territory. Even though lots of terittory requires learnt skills to survive?

Like what? What have I responded to. Fancy responding to birds learning to make nests, I see you totally ignored that.

[Death] · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:24

ok then, if its the sharks "habitat" its like walking into your house and making a cup of tea, then when u say somthing , eat you. he is doing what is natural in his home, he lives there, we dont, we have no right to kill anything that is in its own habitat

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:24

[Death];20380883 said:
ok then, if its the sharks "habitat" its like walking into your house and making a cup of tea, then when u say somthing , eat you. he is doing what is natural in his home, he lives there, we dont, we have no right to kill anything that is in its own habitat

That doesn't make any sense.

Nvidiot · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:25

AcidHell2 said:
So you agree using tools which is learnt, but say If we learn to swim it can be considered natural territory. Even though lots of terittory requires learnt skills to survive?

Nope I said, who taught the first primate to use tools? please dont try and swing this thinking you have a point.

Like what? What have I responded to. Fancy responding to birds learning to make nests, I see you totally ignored that.

Responded to that ages ago, its you who choose to ignore my answer.

That doesn't make any sense.

Only for you.

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:26

Nvidiot said:
Nope I said, who taught the first primate to use tools? please dont try and swing this thinking you have a point.

Why does it matter? What's your point?
Animals can learn and try new things out. Just look at videos of octopus, under scientific experiments. That show logic and reasoning.

[Death] · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:26

ok, so u think humans own the whole planet, we are above everything and anything. we have the rights to go into another creatures place of life and exterminate what we feel like. god complex much?

Nvidiot · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:28

AcidHell2 said:
Why does it matter? What's your point?
Animals can learn and try new things out. Just look at videos of octopus, under scientific experiments. That show logic and reasoning.

Whats that got to do with this argument? a Human doesnt belong naturally in the sea.

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:28

[Death];20380909 said:
ok, so u think humans own the whole planet, we are above everything and anything. we have the rights to go into another creatures place of life and exterminate what we feel like. god complex much?

That's a totally different question.
I am merely talking about natural territory. There is no Implied rights involved.

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:29

Nvidiot said:
Whats that got to do with this argument? a Human doesnt belong naturally in the sea.

The hole point of it is, if there is learning you think it can't be natural. Therefore the birds which scientifically were studied, can never reproduce as their first nests are successful. Or any other learned behaviour.
And therefore our only natural terittory is a few isolated pockets in Africa where we first evolved, but you won't agree to that either. So which is it? It can't be both.

Nor do crocodiles, birds, certain insects and about a thousand other animals then.

Why do we not naturally belong in water for the purposes of hunting.

Nvidiot · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:30

AcidHell2 said:
That's a totally different question.
I am merely talking about natural territory.

The clue is in the word "natural" humans do not belong in the sea "naturally".We need either equipment to survive/hunt.

And as i repeated before and for the umpteenth time, we survive just minutes at sea.

[Death] · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:31

this argument is a bit silly tbh, fish live in water, we live on land, if a creature came into our home (deadly one of course!) you would kill it. The shark was doing the exact same thing. I see nothing wrong with what the shark did at all.

asim18 · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:31

AcidHell2 said:
Why do we not naturally belong in water for the purposes of hunting.

Humans cant naturally hunt in water dude. What are you? Rambo?

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:32

Nvidiot said:
The clue is in the word "natural" humans do not belong in the sea "naturally".We need either equipment to survive/hunt.

And as i reated before and for tth umpteenth time, we survive just minutes at sea.

We do not need anything other than ourselfs to survive for brief periods. Just like many other animals.

Minutes? We can survive hours. Some birds can only survive minutes as well, yet they hunt at sea.

Nvidiot · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:32

asim18 said:
Humans cant naturally hunt in water dude. What are you? Rambo?

lol

Nvidiot · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:33

AcidHell2 said:
We do not need anything other than ourselfs to survive for brief periods. Just like many other animals.

Thanks for agreeing with me

exactly "brief" periods (minutes), we can do days on land.

Glaucus · 23 Oct 2011 at 19:33

asim18 said:
Humans cant naturally hunt in water dude. What are you? Rambo?

Really, tell that to all the past tribes that have hunted at sea. Or gathered scoops, sea slugs/urchins and many other high protein food sources.