Shave my balls, bigot!

Caracus2k said:
Stop being such a bigot... Jessica's stunning and brave....

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Lol he’s just baiting people now in order to get some people banned when they breach twitter’s rules when replying and/or to try and generate some sympathy from the minority of LGBT and SJW people who don’t already hate him: “look those nasty transphobes have been abusing me again, if you don’t support hate then you need to support me”
 
FoxEye said:
"What about the part of your post where you said..." is not actually "What-aboutery". It's referring back to something you said earlier. You know this. I could have re-phrased that sentence as, "I refer to your earlier statement where you said..." So let's move on.

You said that sex and gender were different.

You *also* said that a male exhibiting so-called female gender traits (at one end of the "gender spectrum") might be trans. And might want advice about changing their sex. You said that the "spectrum of gender traits" can help identify trans people.

So we asked you, "Can you list some female gender traits and some male gender traits?" Things that if exhibited by the wrong gender would warrant a discussion of possible trans identity. So "girl traits" that a boy wouldn't display unless trans. "Boy traits" that a girl wouldn't display unless trans.

Etc.

I eagerly await your response to those questions. I'm sure you'll deliver, if I just wait long enough, and repeat the question enough.
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Notice how I didn't deal in absolutes then? I'm not effort posting. Could and might are very non committal. If you want help understanding sex vs gender and how people feeling genderdismorohia can identify with aspects of life that are seen as gender normative societally, nature or nurture, you can do your own research. I'm not here to give you free lessons on such a complex topic that I'm far from an expert in, which is why my other fan boi to ask a Dr rather than my opinion.
 
dowie said:
Lol he’s just baiting people now in order to get some people banned when they breach twitter’s rules when replying and/or to try and generate some sympathy from the minority of LGBT and SJW people who don’t already hate him: “look those nasty transphobes have been abusing me again, if you don’t support hate then you need to support me”
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Agreed, I think they've managed to skirt being discussed until now and it's going to bite them hard now their disgusting behaviour is out in the open.

I hope prison time comes if the under age offences are proven to be true. At the moment they are in denial and claiming none of the messages came from them last I heard.
 
hurfdurf said:
Notice how I didn't deal in absolutes then? I'm not effort posting. Could and might are very non committal. If you want help understanding sex vs gender and how people feeling genderdismorohia can identify with aspects of life that are seen as gender normative societally, nature or nurture, you can do your own research. I'm not here to give you free lessons on such a complex topic that I'm far from an expert in, which is why my other fan boi to ask a Dr rather than my opinion.
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Why do you feel the need to take such a pro-trans, pro-transitioning standpoint, as you have done throughout, when here you've basically admitted you don't really know much/anything about it.

Because it's fashionable to be pro-trans in certain social circles right now?

Do you maybe consider that, in a few years time, we might realise this has been a terrible mistake? People who strongly advocate for trans-rights and take a very pro-transitioning standpoint are likely to end up on the wrong side of history, once the underlying mental issues are more fully understood.
 
FoxEye said:
Why do you feel the need to take such a pro-trans, pro-transitioning standpoint, as you have done throughout, when here you've basically admitted you don't really know much/anything about it.

Because it's fashionable to be pro-trans in certain social circles right now?

Do you maybe consider that, in a few years time, we might realise this has been a terrible mistake? People who strongly advocate for trans-rights and take a very pro-transitioning standpoint are likely to end up on the wrong side of history, once the underlying mental issues are more fully understood.
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I said I wasn't an expert, not that I didn't know much about it....

Why do you feel I owe it to you to educate you?

People said exactly what you are saying about homosexuals. "Oh gosh in future we may have found a cure and then wont you all look silly with all the damage you have done to society by allowing gays to be gay!!"

I have taken my stance based on what the large majority of experts in the field, you are quoting Daily Mailish newspapers and TERF organisations promoting a trans panic.
 
hurfdurf said:
I said I wasn't an expert, not that I didn't know much about it....

Why do you feel I owe it to you to educate you?

People said exactly what you are saying about homosexuals. "Oh gosh in future we may have found a cure and then wont you all look silly with all the damage you have done to society by allowing gays to be gay!!"

I have taken my stance based on what the large majority of experts in the field, you are quoting Daily Mailish newspapers and TERF organisations promoting a trans panic.
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Except, unsurprisingly, that's not true. Nor is your comparison, well, comparable. You have to make it because your position doesn't stand on its own, but that's just a political tactic.
 
hurfdurf said:
People said exactly what you are saying about homosexuals.
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No they were not and your repeated assertion that its the same is risible.

People were and are against homosexuals and displays/ acts of homosexuality

However 'allowing gays to be gays' doesn't involve anything further then accepting that's their sexual preference.

It doesn't require children to be medicated, doesn't require healthy organs to be surgically altered and doesn't require others to accept things, under threat of state sanctioned penalties, which objectively aren't and cant be true

(for example that a person born male, with male genitalia and with XY chromosomes etc can be a woman and must be considered and referred to as such because they say so)


Your attempt at false equivalence is easily seen through on these grounds.

If the trans movement was for letting children be children and deciding what they are and how they fit into the world unmedicated and without surgery you might have a point.

But that's not the dominant narrative at the moment which is that any child deemed to be trans should be set of down a medicalised path and that no exploration should be made of whether other factors may be at play in the child's presentation
 
There's literally still gay conversion therapy in America, camps where parents pay to have their kids kidnapped and electro shocked therapied to cure the gay away.

Kids are presenting with issues and Drs are making informed decisions when they reach certain ages to delay and then at a much later date after years of further consultation alter hormones.

You very much non expert brainiacs claim that history will look back on you being correct, you've done nothing but link shoddy trans panic and TERF articles. I'll stick with the massive majority of experts and Drs of today on the subject rather than the posters of this cesspit of a sub-forum.
 
hurfdurf said:
There's literally still gay conversion therapy in America, camps where parents pay to have their kids kidnapped and electro shocked therapied to cure the gay away.
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Dont you realise you just made my point for me?

Gay conversion camps for children are wrong bevause the medicalise normal child development.

Puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for children are wrong for exactly the same sort of reasons!

You cant 'pray the gay away', you can't 'cure' homosexuality with electro shock therapy and you can't make a boy a girl by giving them puberty blockers and cross sex hormones!

But the physical interventions listed above can do permeant damage to children.
 
Caracus2k said:
You cant 'pray the gay away', you can't 'cure' homosexuality with electro shock therapy and you can't make a boy a girl by giving them puberty blockers and cross sex hormones!

But the physical interventions listed above can do permeant damage to children.
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Are you really suggesting that the drugs that prevent the undesired puberty occurring and other drugs that bring about the transitioning puberty don't make the trans person more like their desired gender?

No one's saying they magically turn a penis into a vagina and switch the chromosomes, but they do help people who are uncomfortable in their body feel more comfortable and makes their body more like they want it to be imagine.

I've seen trans women block their Testosterone and take Estrogen to bring about actual breasts. If I felt uncomfortable in my male body and wanted to be female it's what I would want.

Kids have killed themselves based on starting a puberty they didn't want to with the knowledge that transitioning after you've already started developing adult features of the gender you don't want to be is harder, look at this Jessica Yaniv creature for instance.
 
Going through puberty is the 'cure' though, depending on how you read it 80% - 98% of children with gd symptoms will revert back to their original gender. The remaining % have deep psychological issues, I believe the end goal to help them with their mental illness is for them to be able to transition to the opposite gender. However the problem with that is whilst they might believe that they are man/woman/whatever trapped in the wrong body the majority of us don't suffer from that mental delusion and yet we're being forced to go along with it due to crazy leftist liberals that have invaded the social sciences and Twitter outrage mobs.

The suicide rate remains essentially the same post and pre transition, is that not an indicator of some deep seated mental health problems?
 
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