It's a lot harder to murder someone in a moment of seeing red with bad words or flailing fists than with the weapon you happened to be legally carrying.
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It's a lot harder to murder someone in a moment of seeing red with bad words or flailing fists than with the weapon you happened to be legally carrying.
It's not dumb. If it's harder to buy a gun, you'll see fewer firearm murders, which is the stat that counts in the context of gun control legislation. And since firearms have the greatest capacity to inflict mass casualties (just ask Las Vegas) it makes sense to regulate them more strictly than other weapons.
You say 'that doesn't mean there will be less [sic] murders', and theoretically that's true, but the fact remains that when firearms are sensibly regulated, the overall murder rate always goes down, because the firearm murder rate always goes down.
They will just stab you instead. Fewer firearm murders, but more fatal stabbings. I would rather be shot than stabbed.
A gun is a tool you can use a car or a potato to kill someone. They should ban potatoes
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They will just stab you instead. Fewer firearm murders, but more fatal stabbings. I would rather be shot than stabbed.
Why?
Surely chances of survival are greater from knife wounds.Would be a reduction of mass casualty attacks.
Depends where you get shot or stabbed. If its fatal its fatal you aren't surviving. In that case I would rather be shot.Why?
Would be a reduction of mass casualty attacks.
They will just stab you instead. Fewer firearm murders, but more fatal stabbings. I would rather be shot than stabbed.
A gun is a tool you can use a car or a potato to kill someone. They should ban potatoes
How does someone stab you from a 5th floor window from 75m+ away?
They can't. I don't see many mass shootings from 75m away.
Vagas was 450m from the 32nd floor, 58 dead and over 1000 rounds fired. Can you compare that with a knife attack? Could he have achieved the same with a knife?
Why though? Assuming it is fatal I can't see how the method makes much difference.
Even if they just stopped people from carrying be it concealed or open carry it would reduce the amount of sporadic murders.
1 time is not statistically significant enough to justify a ban on a widely use tool.
Have you considered that a concealed carry cannot be seen, so if a bad person wants to conceal a weapon you can look to stop them XD.
On the other hand if you have open carry he might see that everyone else has a gun and think twice before shooting people because he could get shot after firing only 1 round.
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It's so funny but also sad to watch.
Luis - why were you carrying a gun?
Guy- No I weren't carrying no gun
Luis - we just saw you throw it on the floor. It's on camera
Guy - I wasn't carrying no gun man,!
And so on.
Or guy gets shot in the middle of the street. Police turn up and ask who did it. No one will talk to the police and all the locals are shouting at the police. Blaming the police or bad mouthing the police.
It's never going to change because the locals and the way they act.
I don't think you are representing GD's argument.
Thanks for explaining the concept
.You can however make it illegal for people to have a gun on them full stop. If you want to keep owning them crack on as long as they stay at home. Anyone with a gun in public is commiting a crime, simples.
It removes the issue of not knowing if someone carrying a gun is just on their way to the store or shoot some poor sod. You see a gun in public it's assumed to be an issue and dealt with by the police.
Why should they have guns in the first place. They serve no purpose other than to kill or wound. At the end of the day the only reason to own a gun is to protect yourself from others with a gun. If there are no guns there's no need to own one. I imagine the vast majority of people who own guns would only cause more damage shooting back at someone.
One thing I'm unsure of is if venues like the one in this thread can bar guns from the premises. If someone has a concealed carry permit are they allowed to carry in places that don't want guns. Is it legal to take it off them before allowing entrance?
It's not a tool at all.
What can you do with it that makes it a tool?
Edit: Well I guess technically it is a tool
but the word tool suggests something useful. It's a weapon.
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Most mass shootings are in no gun zones. Probably because he gunman knows nobody else will have a gun to shoot back. The gunman doesn't care that it is illegal.Thanks for explaining the concept
You can however make it illegal for people to have a gun on them full stop. If you want to keep owning them crack on as long as they stay at home. Anyone with a gun in public is commiting a crime, simples.
It removes the issue of not knowing if someone carrying a gun is just on their way to the store or shoot some poor sod. You see a gun in public it's assumed to be an issue and dealt with by the police.
Why should they have guns in the first place. They serve no purpose other than to kill or wound. At the end of the day the only reason to own a gun is to protect yourself from others with a gun. If there are no guns there's no need to own one. I imagine the vast majority of people who own guns would only cause more damage shooting back at someone.
One thing I'm unsure of is if venues like the one in this thread can bar guns from the premises. If someone has a concealed carry permit are they allowed to carry in places that don't want guns. Is it legal to take it off them before allowing entrance?
It's not a tool at all.
They should have guns in the first place because it is a constitutional right. The reason why it's a constitutional right is because in the event of a failure of government or an over reach the people will be able in theory to take the country back. The fact is there are millions of guns in America and if it came down to a democratic vote to change the constitution, it would not change. Unfortunately most people in merica land do not think like the British. We are taught from a young age that guns bad guns bad guns bad.
Yes, if you do not allow guns on your property, you can ask people to not come in if they have a concealed carry permit and do not wish to surrender their firearm. However I am not sure if you are allowed to take it off them and unless you make everyone go through an xray scanner, if someone is lying you can't do anything about it.
Plenty where it's been from well outside of arms length though...
Much of the time if you had someone with a knife, and someone with a gun doing the same attack at the same place the knife attacker would barely get anyone as they have to get much closer, take longer (and more physical effort), and can be defeated by things like simple internal doors or even just keep an object (table/car) etc in the way.
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It's already illegal to kill people and people don't care about that law, with the amount of guns in America it would be impossible to effectively police a ban on guns, not to mention the cartels in Mexico would take advantage and smuggle lots and lots of guns into the country like they already do with drugs