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Anders Brevik?
Shooting at live Twitch Madden tournament - four reported to be dead
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Case in point, its so rare that when it does happen you can actually remember their name.
Uhh, no it's entirely because he murdered dozens of children in a very political attack, you don't tend to forget names after such a heinous act, plus it was in a largely quiet country up until his rampage.
There must be hundreds of such people in the states alone, but because it's so common and generally because guns are culturally a part of the US, people don't care about their names, hell i don't even remember the weirdo that shot up the country concert.
Also we're rather close to Norway in comparison, it somewhat makes sense to be able to remember more easily.
It happens weekly in the US, normally it's school shootings.
Trump likes to bang on about how "unsafe" Europe is, but your FAR more likely to get murdered in the US than anywhere in Europe. When there is an incidence here it's a huge deal because they don't happen often.
Trump likes to bang on about how "unsafe" Europe is, but your FAR more likely to get murdered in the US than anywhere in Europe. When there is an incidence here it's a huge deal because they don't happen often.
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What because i own some guns? I was pointing out that there are legally held guns in the UK and there isn't mass shootings. You can easy shoot up a place with a shotgun just as easy as with a handgun.
Any shootings currently in NI won't be done with legally held guns I can tell you that. There are around 300k legally owned guns in NI and yet we don't manage to walk into schools and shoot the place up.
Honest question, how easy is it to own a gun in NI? If I'm mentally ill, diagnosed schizophrenic and or manic depressed can I walk in to a gunsmiths and buy something like an AR15?
Its not a leading question, I genuinely don't know how tight / lax gun control is in NI. I remember owning a shotgun in my teens and having to be interviewed by the police and be able to prove it was locked in a very secure location and I needed to be able to provide an address for where this gun would be used, in my case a nearby farm.
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Its pretty much the same idea as the uk, the difference is things like pistols are legal, and "self defence" is a valid justification for owning a gun (if you can prove it, as i understand its primarily for police officers and suchlike to take their guns home).
Its still a licencing system so your not just walking into a shop and buying a gun let alone anything like an ar15 the same day (well, unless you have all the proper documentation done ahead of time)
Interestingly things like fireworks and air rifles are actually more restricted than the mainland.
It just re-inforces the point its not what you can get, its how easily you can get it.
This is typed very quickly so there may be some typos. And keep in mind it's not similar to the UK as we are in the UK don't forget! It's just a little different when it comes to the handgun side.
OK for example a shotgun is the same as the mainland I believe.
Rifles you need to be either in a club or prove you have the land to be able to shoot it safely. For example if you owned some land near a road then it's a no go, but you could still get it if you were a member of a club and only wanted to shoot it there. In regards to land you need loads of it or access to loads of it. It must not be near the public and if firing it always helps to be firing into say a hill so the round doesn't travel onto a road etc.
Handguns again you can own what you want, but these are a little different. You need to be a member of a club for at least a year and prove you have went there, as the police will confirm with the club owners as you generally must will have sign in books etc. If you're in the club you can use club handguns until you own your own. You must also complete a gun safety course and take part in a number of comp's based on the calibre you want, for example 9mm.
Air rifles not sure to be honest, never even asked about one in my life.
In regards to being mentally ill you will never get one if you have ever went to the doctor about being depressed etc. I do believe if enough years have pasted and you are cleared by a doctor you will then be allowed one. A good example was a close friend of mine who went to the doctor's about feeling depressed and expressed that he may harm himself. By the time he got home the police arrived 5 minutes later and took his 2 shotguns, so maybe it's linked to the medical records or something but not 100%. He never got them back btw as he has never be cleared by the doctors.
As someone else has stated I can request that I want to carry a handgun on my person for protection. But this is really hard to get and you have to prove your life is in danger. Honestly you would need to have had death threats from the IRA or something similar.
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I think it's a culture thing as well. When settling something my first thought isn't to pickup a gun and say "It's hunting time". Again there are loads of guns legally held in the UK and we don't have mass shooting (Banning some due to previous ones was a knee jerk reaction). A shotgun holding 3 rounds can easily do the same damage as a pistol. Take a semi auto shotgun, it would take no time at all to let rip with 3 rounds and insert 3 more. Mere seconds.
This is a bit of a bad example but take this dude reloading with 3 at a time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lprcnmeql2Y
Mere seconds is desirable, as the police walk around with H&G rifles that certainly don't need reloading every few rounds. As opposed to in America, where you are practically able to take the police on if you so desire (still losing obviously, but vastly more damage caused).
Mind you guns aren't really the issue, it's the disgusting society the US is that's causing these men to lash out, because their elders have made them exploitable masses of meat in their debt ridden schemes. Which they hide under a crude guise of race tensions and conspiracy theory to mask their theft of the future from their children.
Mind you guns aren't really the issue, it's the disgusting society the US is that's causing these men to lash out, because their elders have made them exploitable masses of meat in their debt ridden schemes. Which they hide under a crude guise of race tensions and conspiracy theory to mask their theft of the future from their children.
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This is a pro-click for anyone who hasn't watched it.
Generally I think our laws and regulations on it are pretty good - though there are 1-2 areas I'd like to see tightened up and some others relaxed a bit. I'm relatively pro-gun but I don't see the need for instance (outside of specific animal control situations, etc.) for anything other than bolt action type action in civilian ownership (and things like mechanical systems to work around it would also be banned). Sure there is the odd person who can master incredible speeds combined with accuracy with straight pull but the reality is most people won't achieve that - even less while trying to do it on the move.
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the culture is as a side-effect of the regulation, with all the hoops you have to jump through to get a firearm in the uk only people who are dedicated are going to bother, hell it takes more effort to get a realistic looking airsoft gun in the uk than a real gun in america.
the dedicated enthusiasts aren't the problem, it's the people who own a gun just because owning a gun is the done thing to do, and the best way to discourage those casual owners is to make obtaining a gun a pain in the backside
You do realise most mass shootings are just people involved with drugs and gangs shooting each other? Watch something like Louis Theroux in Philadelphia and that'll give you an idea of why gun crime is so high, it's not people living in quiet suburbs casually owning a pistol for home defence
The graph is dumb anyway, if it's harder to buy a gun then you'll see less gun deaths, but that doesn't mean there will be less murderss which is the stat that matters. For instance on that graph Arkansas is the highest and California is the lowest, but California has a higher murder rate than Arkansas. Arkansas in 2010 only had 130 murders, it's just 100 of them were committed with a gun. That doesn't mean there'd be less murders if there weren't guns though.