Should Wenger go? (Spoilers!)

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Have to laugh at some of the managerial suggestions, McLaren and Martin O'Neil made me laugh quite hard, both are average cheque book managers.

Football fans are so fickle, Wenger has made Arsenal the team they are without the financial support that other like Chelsea, Man United, Man City etc are privvy to, he's put the club on a sound footing by not wasting money while still keeping the club competitive.

The Newcastle draw aside where you would think they should have won, playing a big spending Liverpool team and Man Utd was always a very tough start to the season, the size of the defeat was obviously pretty bad on paper but these things happen from time to time, changing the manager would result in Arsenal quickly becoming a mid table club and in a few years time the fans will be harking back to the Wenger days.

What do you know? O'Neil is not an average chequebook manager at all.
 
I'm not sure if Wenger really has lost the plot or if there's more to this than meets the eye. Some of the decisions that have been made this summer are nothing short of madness.

Nasri seemingly made it perfectly clear a long time ago that he wasn't signing a new deal and there were offers on the table from both Utd and City right at the start of pre-season. It was inevitable that he was going so why not get it done and look to move on? Equally, where's the sense in letting both Eboue and Clichy go with Jenkinson as the only replacement? Arsenal are now left with 1 proven first-team full back and 2 unproven kids (1 of which is a crock).

The CB issue, I have a bit of sympathy for him. Yes Arsenal have problems there but as I mentioned previously, over the last couple of seasons he's signed 3 CB's for £20m+. If Wenger went out and signed any old CB tomorrow it would shut up a lot of fans but if he turns out as good as the 2 whose names I won't even try to spell then they're in the same position. If they're to sign a CB, they've got to make sure it's the right player and that they're not signing somebody for the sake of it.

My biggest criticism of Arsenal/Wenger is the mentality of the side and the lack of leadership and experience. Arsenal's form post-CC final is no coincidence and they should be thankful for the international break this week because had they played Swansea this week after the hammering yesterday, I could have seen them getting beat again.

The lack of leadership and experience won't just harm them in the short-term but it might harm them long-term too. Who have Wilshere, Ramsey, Fimpong etc got to look up to and learn from? One of Houllier's best signings as Liverpool manager was Gary McAllister; the season we were going for the 3 Cups and CL qualification he was as important as any other player in the squad. For 3/4's of the season he didn't play a huge part but towards the back end of the season his contribution was as big as anyones; the team were looking nervous are weren't playing great but he stepped up and put in the performances and scored the goals that got us into the CL and won us the Cups. However his biggest contribution was probably the influence he had on the likes of Gerrard. Arsenal need a Gary McAllister type player that can step in when Ramsey or Wilshere are struggling and can help develop them as players.

As well as a Gary Mac, they need somebody like Jamie Carragher. He's well past his best and I'm sure Arsenal fans won't like me for saying it but they could do a lot worse than him in their squad. The organisation of Arsenal's back line at the weekend was truly embarrassing. They need somebody that will grab hold of them, push, pull and drag them into position and Carra would do that (and he'd do it to the opposition forwards too (before the jokes start)).

Spot on.

Where's big Sol these days? :p (that wasn't a serious point)
 
The problem is that Arsenal are trying to be a self sufficient football club in a non self sufficent era.

What we need is a billionare owner out right, who will say, I will stop at nothing to bring the right players that we need to plug the gaps in the squad.

End off.

Thats what liverpool have done, and they are all the better for it.

Was Carol worth £35 mill? Hell no, but, he is squad player that gives them an arial threat. (We should never have sold Adebayour)

We need cahill, but only offer 15, when Bolton want 17, miss out as Spurs come in with the 17 million required?

Screw that, a rich owner would just say, we need Carhill? Fine, here is the 17 million. Done.

I not saying spent silly money like city, but get the players the team needs.

No more penny pinching and looking in the pound shop for bargins.
 
This is not the case, as most of the money gets spent on wages, rather than pure transfer funds.

We have money sure, but we have a wage ceiling for a reason.

All too often inthe past we here Arsenal dont ofer the extra 2 million asking price for a player, and then end up missing out as another club buys them.

This needs to change.

Success on the pitch, will inevitable lead to commercial success off it.

Arsenal are trying to do it the other way round.
 
FFS, its blatantly obvious there are serious problems at board level, and Wenger is using the team to prove a point and dig his heels in.

When the board relationship goes sour, usually the players all want out, which is exactly whats happening.

As for Wenger coming across in interviews as if he doesnt need to sign anyone.... WTF do you expect?! Jeeus, talk about naivety, the more desperate Arsenal come across the higher the prices they will have to pay for new players.

I would NOT be surprised if that article regarding the players salarys is true.

Since Dein left, Wenger has been getting more and more dispondant, and the players have been playing worse and worse.

I think its now starting to look pretty damn obvious that Kronke wants to run the place on a shoestring and trouser as much money as possible in the short term.

Lets look at the timeline... and the stuff behind the scenes pretty much correlates with Arsenal form.

By putting the team out he did, Wenger knew FULL well they would be like lambs to the slaughter, and it was to make a point to the board.

He is too much of a gentleman to bring the stuff out in public like most chavvy managers.

Im not even an Arsenal fan at all, but I really feel for them, and I feel for Wenger too, as when you sit back and think, he is CLEARLY not happy with things at the club.

Anyway... all I know is that since Dein left and there was the nonsense with Usmanov and Kronke, its gone downhill steadily, and I dont think its Wengers fault at all, although he is stubborn enough to put out an 8-2 team to make a point.


I just wish people would look past the poor guy, and look at the subtle signs that all is not well at a higher level.

Hell, even Wenger said he would spend £40 on the right player, and one of those players was Mata. He didnt sign for Arsenal probably because the board didnt approve the wage rise Wenger wanted to attract the decent players.
 
It was pretty much the strongest team we could field what with injuries and suspensions.

Yeah but you could see they were not organised properly.

Almost like Wenger had skipped a few training sessions, or not bothered to prepare the players enough for the fixture.

I didnt see him ranting or patrolling the technical area shouting instructions like he used to. He was very very passive.

Something is DEFINITELY going on behind the scenes, and he is not a happy person right now. Its almost like all the players wanted out too, hence the mass exodus, and I bet Wenger wants out too, but is too proud to walk away.

He looks weary and generally fracked right off. Even in the PREmatch interviews lol !
 
There is an interview in this months BMI magazine with Tony Adams. Just happened to be questioned on what he thought of Wenger he described him as being a **** coach, a **** motivator, but was good with the diet/fitness side of things. Wasn't a particularly glowing report on him as a manager but he thought he was a nice guy.
 
We are now being linked with Benayoun and Alex of Chelsea.

Not bad players, but only bit part players at their clubs.

Is this the right caliber of player we should be bringing in?
 
This is what I mean, by we need billionaire backers.

Dont you think city have spent enough? Do you think City needthis player?

If Arsenal where to spent £30 mill on a player it would be our only signing of the season.

How can we compete when a club can just buy 6-7 £30-£40 mill pounds players?

Even Liverpool have spent £100 on players in the last year.
 
This is what I mean, by we need billionaire backers.

Dont you think city have spent enough? Do you think City needthis player?

If Arsenal where to spent £30 mill on a player it would be our only signing of the season.

How can we compete when a club can just buy 6-7 £30-£40 mill pounds players?

Even Liverpool have spent £100 on players in the last year.

So basically what you're saying is what City are doing is completely wrong, so that's exactly what we need to be doing? Nothing like sticking to your principles eh? :p

Oh and lolgoal.com
 
There is an interview in this months BMI magazine with Tony Adams. Just happened to be questioned on what he thought of Wenger he described him as being a **** coach, a **** motivator, but was good with the diet/fitness side of things. Wasn't a particularly glowing report on him as a manager but he thought he was a nice guy.

A lovely way to talk about the manager that pretty much saved him and stood by him through his troubles. The again what does Adams actually know about management, sod all. A manager in Azerbaijan isn't he.

Probably just bitter because Wenger hasn't given him a role at Arsenal.
 
Right the problem is that Wenger is a bit arrogant, he still thinks he can bring world class players for £60k a week, you can't do that.

He needs experienced players, the people who say Arsenal have no money, this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov owns a massive share in the club and is the 35th richest person in the world.

Top that with the massive stadium that they have which will be a good source of income for the coming decades, there really is no excuse.
 
Fact is hes had years to build a tp team and he has just made a team of average players, the world class ones have gone, I mean they only have to beat 11 men every week yet cant manage that with having all the training facilities, great ground and 60k fans a week, the players are not good enough and they cant play as a team.
 
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