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I'm not hating, I just don't see the value in trying to make it something it's not.

We're talking throttle response now, on 10+ year old Corolla... I just don't see why you wouldn't put that money towards something that has got hot hatch credentials in the first place. It's the sort of car you'll be chasing your tail with forever, whereas I genuinely wouldn't want to see Acme waste money with it.
 
It is a hot hatch, just one which doesn't stand out among its rivals because of its compromised handling dynamics. Things which will be improved with new dampers and such. Something like a 10 year old EP3 won't be king of the road anymore either because it will be just as worn out. It may be a better starting point sure! But I don't have one of those do I? :)

I don't get the fascination with the phrase "trying to make it something its not" because it inherently makes no sense. I can only make it what it will be. I'm not trying to turn it into a Honda Civic, I'm trying to turn it into a Corolla with different suspension. Which is precisely what it will be. :p

Also I'm not sure what your comment about throttle response is supposed to mean... Does throttle response not exist in cars older than 10 years old or something? :rolleyes:
 
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In a straight line there is very little between an EP3 and the CTS. It is completely down to the driver. If each car had the same driver, the CTR might have it by a nose, but no more than that. This can't really be argued, there are enough videos and testaments from drivers of either car that will confirm this.

Around some bends the EP3 will pull away from the CTS if both are driven on the edge. The CTS can be driven fast around corners, but it won't be as planted and composed, nor as fun and engaging.

Just because it isn't as good at being a hot hatch, doesn't mean that it isn't one. :)

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Trying to keep up Acme's edits is almost impossible! :D
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I probably edit every post I make an average of 4 times... :p
 
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The hot hatch debate is another can of worms not worth opening, certainly not in the same month as the trim level discussion.

Having said that, out of interest what is the official 0-62 of your T Sport?
 
wingman said:
The hot hatch debate is another can of worms not worth opening, certainly not in the same month as the trim level discussion.

Having said that, out of interest what is the official 0-62 of your T Sport?
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As I have said before, the "official 0 - 62" isn't really helpful because it is inaccurate. It is widely accepted that it was 'weighted' so that it didn't affect sales of the Celica T-Sport.

I know for a fact that I can wind it up to 60MPH in 7 seconds. Again, there are more than enough videos and driver testaments to confirm this as being the norm. Some even show it in the mid 6's with some basic modifications and a very aggressive driver. :p

Example:

 
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Whilst others disagree, I personally think the Corolla fits into the Hot Hatch category, which the general definition is:

1. Hatchback body style (fairly obvious)
2. Performance engine ~200bhp (~150bhp would be warm, ~300bhp is hyper-hatch)
3. Handling improvements vs standard model

The Corolla fits 1, 2 (at ~190bhp), and 3 (lowered suspension and strut brace as standard )

It may not be as good as a CTR, but it's still a "hot" version of the Corolla.
 
Where is this Trim level discussion? Knew i was missing something with the odd trim level remark in some posts.

About hot hatches: Fast'ish, revvy, fun, hatchback.
 
8.4 is the official time, the actual time is somewhere between 6.5 and 7 because I timed it. :p

The official time of my Polo was 17, and in reality it did it in about 17 because I timed that too! But it never felt that slow to me. I always thought it felt more like 14.

You'll probably find that 13.6 isn't far off for your car, if you were to time it. :)
 
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