Show Us Your Motors!

grudas · Monday at 21:28

After a wash..

dlockers · Monday at 21:36

grudas said:
After a wash..

What that needs is some 3d printed haemorrhoid DRLs!

Yaayuh! · Monday at 21:39

What it needs most is the emblem on the front.

Armageus · Monday at 21:45

Needs a "too soon junior" sticker

grudas · Monday at 21:46

Armageus said:
Needs a "too soon junior" sticker

dlockers · Monday at 21:55

Armageus said:
Needs a "too soon junior" sticker

My god that film is BADASS

dlockers · Monday at 21:56

Yaayuh! said:
What it needs most is the emblem on the front.

Why? Then folk would know what car it is

Armageus · Monday at 22:02

dlockers said:
Why? Then folk would know what car it is

The hundred grand under the hood gives that away

dlockers · Monday at 22:05

Armageus said:
The hundred grand under the hood gives that away

[TW]Fox · Tuesday at 08:58

Gibbo said:
Trust me if the car had a hard limiter that cannot be disabled, the order will be cancelled.

Of course it won't have that - no car does and it isn't part of the requirements anyway (Well, excluding the traditional higher speed limiters on German cars and such like).

I really think people are trying to make something out of nothing here. It's a reminder and actually I think it's fairly useful (though not perfect in the way it works).

Gibbo · Tuesday at 09:01

[TW]Fox said:
Of course it won't have that - no car does and it isn't part of the requirements anyway (Well, excluding the traditional higher speed limiters on German cars and such like).

I really think people are trying to make something out of nothing here. It's a reminder and actually I think it's fairly useful (though not perfect in the way it works).

I know, like you say people trying to make something out of nothing.

grudas · Tuesday at 10:08

dlockers said:
Why? Then folk would know what car it is

exactly, now they look at the front and go "oh that's nice"

walk to the back and see the honda badge and go "no thank you"

Greebo · Tuesday at 17:03

Gibbo said:
Trust me if the car had a hard limiter that cannot be disabled, the order will be cancelled.
At most it will have an annoying beep warning sound/message which can no doubt be disabled within a menu.

The law is that it must have a limiter and manufacturers have a choice of up to 4 ways to deal with overriding it but it comes back on every time you start the car. Then over the next 2-3 years they will monitor which system of control works best before switching it over to a system which cannot be switched off via OTA. Which is why its been suggested in future there will be a strong price difference between per July 2024 cars and post in their value.

Quote on the toyota

Basically it’s an extension of the road sign assist (rsa) so the car still displays the current road speed but now if you exceed it even by 1 mph the symbol starts flashing and car starts beeping at you.

It’s possible to turn it off or just disable the beeps however it’s via sub-menu system in the car settings. Which is fine but the annoying thing is it defaults back to fully on each time you turn the engine off. I could not figure out how to keep it off.

And at some point in the future the ability to switch it off will go. If you buy a pre 6th July car then this wont ever be a problem.

To be honest if I had to go through several sub menus every time I started the car to switch it off, it would drive me mad.

Kenai · Tuesday at 17:05

Greebo said:
Then over the next 2-3 years they will monitor which system of control works best before switching it over to a system which cannot be switched off via OTA.

Where has this bit come from?

Gibbo · Tuesday at 18:10

Greebo said:
The law is that it must have a limiter and manufacturers have a choice of up to 4 ways to deal with overriding it but it comes back on every time you start the car. Then over the next 2-3 years they will monitor which system of control works best before switching it over to a system which cannot be switched off via OTA. Which is why its been suggested in future there will be a strong price difference between per July 2024 cars and post in their value.

Quote on the toyota

And at some point in the future the ability to switch it off will go. If you buy a pre 6th July car then this wont ever be a problem.

To be honest if I had to go through several sub menus every time I started the car to switch it off, it would drive me mad.

As with all things, it is not very hard to disable something within a menu.
Alternatively there will be plenty of specialist and no doubt DIY ways to code it out or to change the default.

I am not worried about it.

MrRockliffe · Tuesday at 18:52

Greebo said:
The law is that it must have a limiter and manufacturers have a choice of up to 4 ways to deal with overriding it but it comes back on every time you start the car. Then over the next 2-3 years they will monitor which system of control works best before switching it over to a system which cannot be switched off via OTA. Which is why its been suggested in future there will be a strong price difference between per July 2024 cars and post in their value.

Quote on the toyota

And at some point in the future the ability to switch it off will go. If you buy a pre 6th July car then this wont ever be a problem.

To be honest if I had to go through several sub menus every time I started the car to switch it off, it would drive me mad.

I’m looking forward to when my future car reads a 30mph sign from a side road while on a NSL road and starts beeping endlessly at me and not being able to disable it without going to a menu.

Rroff · Tuesday at 19:21

MrRockliffe said:
I’m looking forward to when my future car reads a 30mph sign from a side road while on a NSL road and starts beeping endlessly at me and not being able to disable it without going to a menu.

I have to facepalm at the push behind these kind of systems which clearly do not have a good enough realworld context awareness to be implemented in the way some are pushing for. But personally I'm strongly on the side of having non-intrusive measures for speed awareness and (manually enabled) control.

The other day for example approaching a speed limit, cyclist pulled out in front of a lorry coming the other way causing them to swerve, up ahead was someone trying to emerge from a road on the left with limited visibility and stuff going on behind me I almost forgot about the speed limit change with everything else to deal with.

MrRockliffe · Wednesday at 09:30

Rroff said:
I have to facepalm at the push behind these kind of systems which clearly do not have a good enough realworld context awareness to be implemented in the way some are pushing for. But personally I'm strongly on the side of having non-intrusive measures for speed awareness and (manually enabled) control.

The other day for example approaching a speed limit, cyclist pulled out in front of a lorry coming the other way causing them to swerve, up ahead was someone trying to emerge from a road on the left with limited visibility and stuff going on behind me I almost forgot about the speed limit change with everything else to deal with.

The thing is, they are, independently, good systems. When they work properly, they’re extremely useful

However, garbage in = garbage out, and they’re typically not reliable enough to actually trust them.

Just on the way home from Gatwick last night, the BMW thought it was a 30 on the M23… Imagine if there was a speed limiter in place restricting me to 30, or constant beeping above the speed.

SimonRigga · Wednesday at 09:35

MrRockliffe said:
Just on the way home from Gatwick last night, the BMW thought it was a 30 on the M23… Imagine if there was a speed limiter in place restricting me to 30, or constant beeping above the speed.

or imagine a future where the car slowed down to 30, and there was nothing you could do about it!

Jonnycoupe · Wednesday at 09:35

later systems will also use GPS.