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About a month ago I traded in the M2 comp that I had for a short time. I will never learn...but at least this one feels like a keeper. :D

Was looking for a San Marino or Yas Marina blue car originally, but saw this Sakhir orange M4 in the showroom and its really grown on me.
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Beautiful colour , looks great
 
It needs coils or lowering springs and spacers to complete the look. It looks like a 4x4 currently with those huge arch gaps.

This is true the looks aren’t great. Theres a few reasons I’ve not, I’m getting old and have troublesome access to my driveway and into my works office and I cba with the hassle of bottoming out, maybe when I was 18 this was fun. Also know of many people doing suspension on these and they end up putting it back cause they ruin the handling these Comps come with out the box.
Its sat on spacers also.
 
Depends what you want from the car. Limiting wheel travel isn’t always the best. Indeed I want to change the springs on my E92 as it’s too firm and bouncy on B roads now. Great on track but compromised on road. Don’t even get me started on spacers. How to ruin the handling of any car especially a BMW M

Ah a good YouTube video to try and help the argument

What car did you coilover and spacer ?
 
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Both M4's :D

Good coilovers and wider wheelbase will make it slower? lol, you're being sarcastic right? :D When I fitted lowering springs and put spacers it significantly reduced the body roll in corners and helped to tackle the floatiness at higher speeds.


If you are adding coilovers to a car with already worn and substandard suspension then obviously it is going to improve. On a car like an M4 which is more GT car than race track these days I would argue the dampers that are already on it are more than adequate for fast road driving and the odd track day whilst not rattling your teeth out.
 
It needs coils or lowering springs and spacers to complete the look. It looks like a 4x4 currently with those huge arch gaps.
Rubbish, they look fine. "Looks like a 4x4", come off it :p
This is true the looks aren’t great. Theres a few reasons I’ve not, I’m getting old and have troublesome access to my driveway and into my works office and I cba with the hassle of bottoming out, maybe when I was 18 this was fun. Also know of many people doing suspension on these and they end up putting it back cause they ruin the handling these Comps come with out the box.
Its sat on spacers also.
Ignore him, it looks great.
 
Depends what you want from the car. Limiting wheel travel isn’t always the best. Indeed I want to change the springs on my E92 as it’s too firm and bouncy on B roads now. Great on track but compromised on road. Don’t even get me started on spacers. How to ruin the handling of any car especially a BMW M

Ah a good YouTube video to try and help the argument

What car did you coilover and spacer ?
I'm not telling anyone to slam it, but lower centre of gravity usually helps.

M140i, the stock suspension is utter c...
If you are adding coilovers to a car with already worn and substandard suspension then obviously it is going to improve. On a car like an M4 which is more GT car than race track these days I would argue the dampers that are already on it are more than adequate for fast road driving and the odd track day whilst not rattling your teeth out.
Coilovers have improved massively, you can always change the springs to softer ones.
Yeah basically the modern cars engineers know more than wide boys chasing “roll control”
You do realise that car manufactures have tight budgets where every penny counts and strict EU regulations that car manufactures have to oblige by.
 
I'm not telling anyone to slam it, but lower centre of gravity usually helps.

M140i, the stock suspension is utter c...

Coilovers have improved massively, you can always change the springs to softer ones.

You do realise that car manufactures have tight budgets where every penny counts and strict EU regulations that car manufactures have to oblige by.
Dunno what you mean about car manufacturers… when you choose a spring length or bush tune through the dynamics phase there isn’t a cost impact; it’s simply a choice of balance.

They know what they are doing with M cars though. Changing the roll centre is a fun game any day of the week. Let along impact on tyre wear. Also you don’t widen wheelbases, that’s the length between wheels. Making a car wider is generally good… for a race track and maybe limit handling really though it’s messing with loads of stuff, bearing loads, kingpin inclination axis on the front etc.

You said lowering springs which ultimately limits bump travel on cars already tuned and purely for aesthetics it doesn’t actually need.
 
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