Singapore Grand Prix 2010, Marina Bay Street Circuit - Race 15/19
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Soldato
All the talk of how amazing an F1 cars breaks are, Webber didn't seem to use them 
But Hamilton should have gone wide to make sure he wasn't going to get hit up the inside.
But Hamilton should have gone wide to make sure he wasn't going to get hit up the inside.
Soldato
Yes, just because it's a racing incident does not mean it is 50/50 or that you can't blame someone.
In both cases though, Hamilton was the one trying to make the overtake.
If Webber had been making a move on Hamilton and just thrown it down the inside then absolutely no question it would be his fault.
As it was though, Hamilton had come from behind and at no point did he get completely clear ahead of Webber to the point you could say he had overtaken him and Webber was now trying a move of his own - Hamilton had not cleared him and was still in the process of completing his move. In such circumstances you really shouldn't go throwing your car at the apex when the person you are currently passing is clearly going to be doing his best to prevent you getting past.
Like I said, I don't think you can pin the blame solely on either - Hamilton could have taken that corner with more space but risked losing the place, Webber could have braked and just Hamilton pass and lost the place. Neither were prepared to do that and as such had a coming together.
Soldato
Webber had loads of room on the inside as well it has to be said, he could have cut the corner as it wouldnt have given him an advantage?
Why didnt the stewards then?
ps3ud0
why didn't the stewards see what?It's a racing incident, that doesn't mean someone is not to blame. Is just that it's a racing incident due to split second thinking and no punishments should or need to be dealt.
Ok good.
Goto 0:32 and watch the top of the screen. You will see Alonso and Button next to each other and Alonso about half a car length ahead, turning into the apex with Button trying to get into the same corner.
Same as today? (Alonso = Hamilton, Button = Webber)
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Yes
No, it's easy to give blame, just because there is blame doesn't mean it is not a racing incident or punishment needs to be handed out. This is racing. you will always get contact it's part of the sport, but you only punish reckless and pointless moves not any contact. This was neither pointless nor reckless but he did stuff it up.
A) i haven't said who is to blameSurely he could have slowed down though? Why couldnt he have broke more?
ps3ud0
B) there is three drivers, which is much harder to anticipate what is going to happen.
Button may well of not noticed who ever that is and was expecting Alfonso to give him a bit more room.
No need to get edgy dood just asking!
(no hidden agenda 
)(Trying to assess your point of view/perspective).
So in that example are you saying had the third car (left of Alonso - think it was Schumi), was not there, then the blame would lie with Alonso?
Agreed - Hamilton didnt need to take the risk considering the championship, but decided to and lost out - just like other drivers before him...
I just cba to dissect every move - it happened, now just like Hamilton has admirably done - get over it...
ps3ud0
Totally different scenarios, Masa was not trying to pass Hamilton and was ahead before he turned in. Hamilton was mid pass against Webber and shouldn't have turned in as sharp. But you knew that already
Not really, it is off the start line and they are much more side by side (From that camera angle) than the lewis/webber incident.
Totally different scenarios, Masa was not trying to pass Hamilton and was ahead before he turned in. Hamilton was mid pass against Webber and shouldn't have turned in as sharp. But you knew that already
Disagree Hamilton has passed Webber (albeit it only half maybe 3/4 of the car) and it is Webber trying to make a come back pass.
I am over it, an i asking for anything to change? this is a discussion after all.
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If he hasn't got all the way past, he hasn't passed him, he in the process of passing. As such the opposing car (in this case Webber) isn't trying to make a come back pass at all, he is still in the process of defending an overtake.