Singapore Grand Prix 2011, Marina Bay Street Circuit - Race 14/19

The Mclaren car can sometimes compete but to be honest, the RedBull was ridiculous today. Vettel was over 1 second a lap faster than everyone else for the first 10 laps or so.

You just can't compete with that sort of speed.
 
Clarkson said:
Hamilton wasn't trying to 'put his car somewhere it couldn't go' today...he conceded the place and then started to turn in, as you do at a bend. In such close quarters at such speed, with a front wing he wouldn't even be able to see, its merely a racing incident that it happened to hit massa's tyre. It's not like he turned into massa half way up his car.
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The commentators on the telly all seemed to be saying that Hamilton was the cause of that accident and that Massa could not be blamed for it in any way. I agree with them.

If an average racer was having this many crashes, you can chalk it down to experience, but when you are competing against the likes of Alonso and Vettel, you can't afford to keep having "racing accidents" and dropping points in every race.

The absolute best F1 drivers don't have this many accidents. Alonso, Senna, Prost, MSc, etc never had this number of accidents. If Hamilton wants to be ranked along side these guys, he needs to think about his driving style.
 
Jono8 said:
The Mclaren car can sometimes compete but to be honest, the RedBull was ridiculous today. Vettel was over 1 second a lap faster than everyone else for the first 10 laps or so.

You just can't compete with that sort of speed.
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Before the (4 week) break, Ferrari, RBR and McLaren were all quite close. After the break, I have no idea what RBR did, but they just took off. Perhaps they did a lot of work during the break?

Today, RBR's advantage was massive.
 
NeilFawcett said:
Does anyone else reckon, if other drivers had been involved, or even the roles reversed, that a drive through penalty wouldn't have then of happened?

I reckon there's a reasonable chance of, yes, the decision would have been different!
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I think the complete opposite - the penalty would have been given, but there wouldnt have been debate surrounding its validity...

Martin Whitmarsh was asked the question in the F1 Forums if the roles had been reversed and agreed he would have asked for a penalty. Think that says it all really...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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deuse said:
I have friends that support different football teams\racing drivers ect but they never do that.
bet your mates will be back shouting his name if he wins a load next season.
Then you can tell then what a bunch of two face ******* they are ;)
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Perhaps, it's called having an opinion....each to their own and all that.
 
sunama said:
The absolute best F1 drivers don't have this many accidents. Alonso, Senna, Prost, MSc, etc never had this number of accidents. If Hamilton wants to be ranked along side these guys, he needs to think about his driving style.
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LMFAO.... I am going to buy you a 6 pack of toilet rolls as your so full of it :)
 
sunama said:
Another point of note was that last year, most of us were saying that if Hamilton can get a car which is "almost" as good as the RBR, he could compete against Vettel for the title. Well, based on this year's performances, this won't be happening.

Hamilton now needs a car which is at least as good as Vettel and this is why I am saying that Hamilton has to get himself in an RBR, alongside Vettel, to put Vettel under pressure and attempt to break him mentally. Hoping that McLaren will come good is all very well, but Vettel is racking up race wins, pole positions and WDCs, while Hamilton is waiting, hoping and getting older. His best years are being wasted.
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But the current McLaren car is still miles off the RBR car and has been all season. You only have to look at the lead Vettel pulled out today (more than once) to see how far ahead that car is.

The only thing that made last season a close call was Vettel's inconsistency, both the car and him as a driver resulted in a lot of dropped points.

This season, man, machine and team have been practically flawless and he's run away with it.

This season, Webber, Alonso and the two McLaren's are about as close (points wise) as they were last season, so if Vettel was performing the way he did last season, his points would have been distributed between the other drivers and we would probably have a very similar finish to last year.

I just can't agree with your reasoning.
 
Clarkson said:
Haters gonna hate. :p

Hamilton wasn't trying to 'put his car somewhere it couldn't go' today...he conceded the place and then started to turn in, as you do at a bend. In such close quarters at such speed, with a front wing he wouldn't even be able to see, its merely a racing incident that it happened to hit massa's tyre. It's not like he turned into massa half way up his car.

I'd rather watch hamilton taking risks and providing me with some excitement. Today as an example was largely boring enough with vettel having no challenge on him.
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Oh behave :p

It was careless - especially if you consider how often drivers abort overtakes race after race but generally keep their front wing attached.

Its not a new thing of not being able to see your front wing, its been that way for decades, but you only expect rookies to make that mistake and when its not a rookie its hard to think its not something unavoidable and a bit stupid (like when Schumu did the same to Koba when he came out of the pits a few races back)...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
I think Hamilton was quite unlucky today in some respects. He only hit Massa because he locked up under braking due to the fresh rubber.

Ok, if he hadn't been trying his little manoeuvre he wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place, but he was trying to stop, it wasn't like some of his previous incidents where he's tried to muscle through regardless of what's in front of him.
 
What a lot of Ocuk fuss over nothing. I love all the writing off of Hamilton and somehow he's a PR disaster. I will be sure to bookmark this thread.

Hasn't ever done Alonso any harm. Didn't he have a similar incident this year and past history has proved what a horrible human he can be. He has had more than his share of poor years through various reasons and it just takes a good car to make everyone forget.

Or look out how bad Judas Button was portrayed with multiple contract turnarounds.

People forget quickly in F1 when the car is superb. Look at how Vettel was potrayed as a jumped up petulant little ****.

A good car and all the usual suspects will have him in their sig again, just like they had the brawn and JB for one year ;)
 
I thought he shouldn't have had a penalty, it was a small error which had big consequences, such is F1.

Massa was trying to cover up the fact that he drove a bad race.
 
dannyjo22 said:
What a lot of Ocuk fuss over nothing. I love all the writing off of Hamilton and somehow he's a PR disaster. I will be sure to bookmark this thread.

Hasn't ever done Alonso any harm. Didn't he have a similar incident this year and past history has proved what a horrible human he can be. He has had more than his share of poor years through various reasons and it just takes a good car to make everyone forget.

Or look out how bad Judas Button was portrayed with multiple contract turnarounds.

People forget quickly in F1 when the car is superb. Look at how Vettel was potrayed as a jumped up petulant little ****.

A good car and all the usual suspects will have him in their sig again, just like they had the brawn and JB for one year ;)
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So glad I can be of service to you sire!
 
What a joke this thread has become. It's almost as though 2008 was a complete dream. Has he really had his WDC revoked because of this racing incident mainly brought about because Massa was just shockingly slow off the apex?
 
So it was Massa's fault Hamilton smacked in to him? Wonder why we don't just ask the FIA to ban all the other cars and let Hamilton compete for the title on his own. Would be the only way to appease his groupies :o

Edit: Would also be the only way Hamilton would complete a race without crashing in to someone on the way :D
 
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NathanE said:
What a joke this thread has become. It's almost as though 2008 was a complete dream. Has he really had his WDC revoked because of this racing incident mainly brought about because Massa was just shockingly slow off the apex?
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He wasn't just slow off the apex he never took it!

Hamilton was just unlucky and judging this accident on his previous mis-adventures is pretty unfair. Bar loosing his wing he drove a pretty damn good race!

Hasn't DeResta and Shummi lost a front wing in every race so far? certainly seems that way yet they don't get this much verbal lashing for it!
 
sunama said:
The commentators on the telly all seemed to be saying that Hamilton was the cause of that accident and that Massa could not be blamed for it in any way. I agree with them.
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Hamilton was absolutely to blame just like he was last year when he turned in on Webber at the same corner, when there is a car on your inside you have to give them room and take a wider line.

Even in 2010 Hamilton should have EXPECTED Webber to make a move down the inside and taken a wider line to avoid any incident. I don't understand the mentality that has crept into F1 that during a battle for position the car in front has some sort of divine right to stick to the racing line and cut other drivers up with immunity, the racing line is simply the fastest route around the course to be used when a driver is not under attack. If they think someone's going to try a mad move down the inside they should go wide or face the consequences, it's silly the way drivers today slam the door in other drivers faces and then cry when their door is damaged as a result.

The incident on Massa today was just carelessness really.
 
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