Singapore Grand Prix 2011, Marina Bay Street Circuit - Race 14/19
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lol @ Massa, he really does cry a lot!
Button and Vettel aren't difficult...5 might be short memories, but most people on here were bleating on about Button not being as good as hamilton a short while ago. I personally believe he's not good pr at all, in fact far from it. We shall have to disagree on this. As I said before, even Bernie said he was rubbish as a world champion and that he was disappointed...
I agree with Setroc, CS Nuts and Mr Jack.
Why you think he isn't good PR doesn't baffle me, it just makes me think you don't understand PR. Especially as you use that Bernie reference to back up your point, when the last thing Bernie really did was defend Lewis vehemently back in June, explicitly stating that Lewis is what fans want.. if that isn't great PR..
Not really. McLaren needs F1 as marketing. The actual % of their business is pretty irrelevant.
My father has raced him at buckmore park in karting, said he was exactly the same back then, no consideration for others, going for gaps that arn't there, pushing people off the track!
But it's not really is it, unless you dramatise his mistakes. You look around at what else is happening, when a 7 time world champion is launching off the back of another car, which hasn't had half the discussion.
Lewis can race out and out, or he can control his race. We've seen both in the last two races. He was criticised before for reigning it in, and he'll be criticised by the same folk today. When in reality, today's accident was so nearly a non event. Lewis had conceded the place, he wasn't trying for the position, he knew Massa had the line. He moved back in behind Massa and clipped the front wing on his tyre. Small margins.
Lewis can race out and out, or he can control his race. We've seen both in the last two races. He was criticised before for reigning it in, and he'll be criticised by the same folk today. When in reality, today's accident was so nearly a non event. Lewis had conceded the place, he wasn't trying for the position, he knew Massa had the line. He moved back in behind Massa and clipped the front wing on his tyre. Small margins.
That's because it hasn't happened several times already this season as a result of him continuously trying to push his luck too far. If it was an isolated incident, no one would be talking about it but Hamilton keeps finding himself in these situations and the only thing in common each and every time is his presence and his decisions to try for things that just aren't there.
Schumacher got caught out by a guy lifting sooner than expected, Hamilton once again suffered by putting his car in a position it didn't need to be in and trying to cut things needlessly fine, more so when you consider he was on fresh cold tyres. That's where the difference lies.
I agree with Setroc, CS Nuts and Mr Jack.
Why you think he isn't good PR doesn't baffle me, it just makes me think you don't understand PR. Especially as you use that Bernie reference to back up your point, when the last thing Bernie really did was defend Lewis vehemently back in June, explicitly stating that Lewis is what fans want.. if that isn't great PR..
Of course I understand pr - he's making as many pr gaffes as being defended whilst others rarely make any pr mistakes. Exciting racer maybe, slow to learn from his mistakes, prone to opening his mouth without thinking and too willing to buy into his own greatness definitely...Bernie is a loon, agreed with that. But he is getting worse, not better. As said before, he's making rookie mistakes, not those expected from a wdc and 5 years into his career. Half his problems with penalties this year come from his own mouth running away and criticizing the stewards - really how does he expect to be fairly treated when he referred to them as a joke...
We can debate this till the cows come home...amongst my f1 mates Lewis has lost most of his fans this year, only the real, die hard Hamilton fans still support him. Admittedly my mates don't make a huge cross-section up, but still he's on a massive downwards spiral in their eyes, and most are f1 watchers of 20+ years.
Does anyone else reckon, if other drivers had been involved, or even the roles reversed, that a drive through penalty wouldn't have then of happened?
I reckon there's a reasonable chance of, yes, the decision would have been different!
I have friends that support different football teams\racing drivers ect but they never do that.
bet your mates will be back shouting his name if he wins a load next season.
Then you can tell then what a bunch of two face ****** they are
***Fully star out all swear words***
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I don't think it would have been different, not for an incident that forced another driver to pit due to a damaged car through no fault of his own.
Haters gonna hate. 
Hamilton wasn't trying to 'put his car somewhere it couldn't go' today...he conceded the place and then started to turn in, as you do at a bend. In such close quarters at such speed, with a front wing he wouldn't even be able to see, its merely a racing incident that it happened to hit massa's tyre. It's not like he turned into massa half way up his car.
Agree on the Schumacher things aswell..lets not forget he almost put barichello into a wall that one race at nearly 200mph..which was a conscious attempt to squeeze barichello, which is perhaps even more frightening.
I'd rather watch hamilton taking risks and providing me with some excitement. Today as an example was largely boring enough with vettel having no challenge on him.
Hamilton wasn't trying to 'put his car somewhere it couldn't go' today...he conceded the place and then started to turn in, as you do at a bend. In such close quarters at such speed, with a front wing he wouldn't even be able to see, its merely a racing incident that it happened to hit massa's tyre. It's not like he turned into massa half way up his car.
Agree on the Schumacher things aswell..lets not forget he almost put barichello into a wall that one race at nearly 200mph..which was a conscious attempt to squeeze barichello, which is perhaps even more frightening.
I'd rather watch hamilton taking risks and providing me with some excitement. Today as an example was largely boring enough with vettel having no challenge on him.
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Of course he will win another championship (providing he stays healthy), that's a given. However, he doesnt want to finish his career as a double World Champ. I believe he is aiming to become an all time great (ie. to be as decorated as MSc).
The problem for Hamilton is that when he burst on to the scene, he didn't expect to have to deal with a guy called Vettel.
Another point of note was that last year, most of us were saying that if Hamilton can get a car which is "almost" as good as the RBR, he could compete against Vettel for the title. Well, based on this year's performances, this won't be happening.
Hamilton now needs a car which is at least as good as Vettel and this is why I am saying that Hamilton has to get himself in an RBR, alongside Vettel, to put Vettel under pressure and attempt to break him mentally. Hoping that McLaren will come good is all very well, but Vettel is racking up race wins, pole positions and WDCs, while Hamilton is waiting, hoping and getting older. His best years are being wasted.
I saw the interview today with Massa and I have to say that I am beginning to agree with him in that the FIA have to look at his driving. The guy is crashing in to someone, in almost every race.
Button on the hand is avoiding all the crashes (with the exception of Canada) and is getting good points finishes. On top of this, for half of the season, he has definitely driven better than Lewis "car crash" Hamilton. The worrying thing for Hamilton is that, his poor (car crash) form doesn't seem to have ended yet.