Singapore Grand Prix 2012, Marina Bay - Race 14/20

It wasn't a corner, Webber was trying to overtake what I think was Kobe, they went round the corner together but on one of the straights its actually quite wide and has a curb on the exit of the curb and space down the straight on the other side of the white line. He stayed on the power with Kobe, or put the foot down early after the turn and went four wheels over the white line and over the curb to pass him.

Thing is, Kobe really didn't leave him any room considering Webber I'm fairly sure was almost completely alongside him, however he did leave the track and he finished the overtake move by being off the track and keeping his foot down.

It's a mixed bag really, he did leave the track but Kobe pretty much forced him off, from recollection he certainly didn't leave him space which as Webber was alongside through the corner he definitely should have... probably.

Seems harsh to me, at the start he somewhat pushed Rossberg off and I think Webber was a tad aggressive, didn't he do a bit of a Grosjean and go across the track and basically shove someone out the way or was that someone else.

Meh, its not like he was getting loads of points anyway, who cares.


Massive shame about Hamilton, not least because it seriously hurts his own chances but because it meant yet another place Alonso got back.

One or two DNF's is expected, but if Mclown hadn't screwed up so many pitstops earlier in the season and basically denied Hamilton so many points by now, he could afford the one or two DNF's that are bound to happen. If he was level pegging give or take a few points with ALonso going into this race as both his driving and the car deserved to be, one DNF isn't the end of the world. Throw in all the screw ups and bam, he's all but out of the race.

Of course Alonso could have more DNF's and its still possible just significantly less likely, at least Vettel gained on Alonso to keep the title somewhat interesting.

Schumi, okay a mistake but it looks very much like on the replay it was not a great decision maybe but a LOT of bad luck, much like someone, forget who, hitting that bump out of the tunnel at Monaco just as you brake, seemed like he had a perfect storm of bump, braking timing and safety car lack of temp in tires/brakes all combining. Sure he could he slowed much earlier, didn't really spot the usual massive gain you get when someone brakes later than everyone else(not till the lock up).

Another boring race all told, Kimi was great, boring race where nothing really happens, one safety car hurt them, one helped.
 
Race
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[b]Pos 	Driver 			Team 			Laps 	Time/Retired 	Pts[/b]
1 	Sebastian Vettel 	Red Bull Racing-Renault 59 	2:00:26.144  	25
2 	Jenson Button 		McLaren-Mercedes 	59 	+8.9 secs 	18
3 	Fernando Alonso 	Ferrari 		59 	+15.2 secs 	15
4 	Paul di Resta 		Force India-Mercedes 	59 	+19.0 secs 	12
5 	Nico Rosberg 		Mercedes 		59 	+34.7 secs 	10
6 	Kimi Räikkönen 		Lotus-Renault 		59 	+35.7 secs 	 8
7 	Romain Grosjean 	Lotus-Renault 		59 	+36.6 secs 	 6
8 	Felipe Massa 		Ferrari 		59 	+42.8 secs 	 4
9 	Daniel Ricciardo 	STR-Ferrari 		59 	+45.8 secs 	 2
10 	Sergio Perez 		Sauber-Ferrari 		59 	+50.6 secs 	 1
11 	Mark Webber 		Red Bull Racing-Renault 59 	+67.1 secs 	 	
12 	Timo Glock 		Marussia-Cosworth 	59 	+91.9 secs 	 	
13 	Kamui Kobayashi 	Sauber-Ferrari 		59 	+97.1 secs 	 	
14 	Nico Hulkenberg 	Force India-Mercedes 	59 	+99.4 secs 	 	
15 	Heikki Kovalainen 	Caterham-Renault 	59 	+107.9 secs 	 	
16 	Charles Pic 		Marussia-Cosworth 	59 	+132.9 secs 	 	
17 	Pedro de la Rosa 	HRT-Cosworth 		58 	+1 Lap 	 	
18 	Bruno Senna 		Williams-Renault 	57 	+2 Lap 	 	
19 	Vitaly Petrov 		Caterham-Renault 	57 	+2 Lap 	 	
Ret 	Jean-Eric Vergne 	STR-Ferrari 		38 	Accident 	 	
Ret 	Michael Schumacher 	Mercedes 		38 	Accident 	 	
Ret 	Pastor Maldonado 	Williams-Renault 	36 	Hydraulics 	 	
Ret 	Narain Karthikeyan 	HRT-Cosworth 		30 	Accident 	 	
Ret 	Lewis Hamilton 		McLaren-Mercedes 	22 	Gearbox
 
Come on arknor, take the blinkers off for once:

Reason
The driver admitted the collision was his error due to the failure to anticipate the braking performance of the car with lower tyre grip following a dafety car period.

LOL I knew he would try and defend it!
 
LOL I knew he would try and defend it!

whatever i have no problem with people saying its his fault....

but when people try to say its his age and other BS they are purely speaking out of their backside and just haters

no other top driver makes mistakes? BS im still waiting for the season when he has an accident almost every race like hamilton did
 
BS im still waiting for the season when he has an accident almost every race like hamilton did

Why does hamilton have to come into your defence of Schumacher all the time? I imagine as not all those accidents last year were Lewis fault that it might be close for driving errors between the pair of them this year to lewis last year. Hell MS still has time to get more in as well.

None of us know whether it was age, you can't say it was anymore than I can say it was. It could be his age and just the natural diminishing of skills/attention/judgement the same as any 40+ driver would suffer.

Either way he stuffed up, tried to lie again and then fessed up. Perhaps your right it's not his age. He did that all through his career. :p

;);););)
 
I sort of feel sorry for Hamilton actually, He has been equally as impressive as Alonso has.
But for some monumental ****-ups by Mclaren, he would be in a much better position than the one he's currently in.

Both have done tremendously well, in different circumstances.

Hamilton with the dominant but unreliable car/team mistakes, Alonso with the slowest of the top cars (sometimes fastest) but bullet-proof car.
 
whatever i have no problem with people saying its his fault....

but when people try to say its his age and other BS they are purely speaking out of their backside and just haters

no other top driver makes mistakes? BS im still waiting for the season when he has an accident almost every race like hamilton did

I don't think anyone other than you had mentioned his age? :confused:
 
I sort of feel sorry for Hamilton actually, He has been equally as impressive as Alonso has.
But for some monumental ****-ups by Mclaren, he would be in a much better position than the one he's currently in.

Both have done tremendously well, in different circumstances.

Hamilton with the dominant but unreliable car/team mistakes, Alonso with the slowest of the top cars (sometimes fastest) but bullet-proof car.

Yep, that sums it up very well :)
 
I sort of feel sorry for Hamilton actually, He has been equally as impressive as Alonso has.
But for some monumental ****-ups by Mclaren, he would be in a much better position than the one he's currently in.

Both have done tremendously well, in different circumstances.

Hamilton with the dominant but unreliable car/team mistakes, Alonso with the slowest of the top cars (sometimes fastest) but bullet-proof car.

Yep. As much as Mr Men likes to say that Alonso doesn't need luck and can do it all on the track, he is only that far in front (or even in front at all) because McLaren have thrown it away this season though unreliability, screw ups, and to some degree, by letting both drivers go for the championship.

Not taking anything away from Alonso, he's been great, but he isnt that far ahead because him and the car are that much better, he's that far ahead because hes only had one bad race all season.
 
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Lewis should be winning with him the best car, but he isn't and blaming luck or whatever won't really change anything. Every driver needs some luck and you could look at nearly every race and put it down to luck either good or bad.

I have never said Alonso does not need luck either, I just would rather see him beat Lewis on the track and not cause DNF's.
 
What a boring race. The race is too long imo.

Nice to see Vettel smiling again and paying tribute on the Podium and Radio to Sir Watkins, but it won't be too long before he starts acting like a brat.
Well done Paul for coming in 4th. Fantastic result.
Alonso as much as I like you as a driver, stop being a ****ing dick and chat to the drivers in the weighing room. I feel that he has a million things on his mind or is pre-occupied.
 
Yeah was gutting to see him retire

Did that sting? :D

Not sure on the driving his heart out thing though. Looked to me more like he was just doing enough to manage Seb. Never letting the gap drop below a second, and managed to stop what, 5 laps later? Seemed pretty much all under control. Had his GB not munched its innards I don't see how anyone would have beaten him.

It would have also made the last 6 races more interesting. For everyone else its no longer a case of just beating Alonso, they have to beat him and hope he has a few bad results too, which don't look like they are coming any time soon, unless he starts every race near Grosjean...
 
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I don't really need the title standings to make races interesting for me, they will be interesting on their own merit, they will all still want to win and beat each other regardless of the standings. Seb is only 29 behind, not a big gap he was further behind in 2010 with 6 races to go. And I don't think Lewis is out of it either.

And I doubt there would be much call for an interesting title battle if Lewis was leading by 50 points.
 
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And I doubt there would be much call for an interesting title battle if Lewis was leading by 50 points.

I don't get why you always seem shocked that Lewis is (marginally) more popular than Alonso on a UK forum when he is a Brit in a British team?
 
I don't get why you always seem shocked that Lewis is (marginally) more popular than Alonso on a UK forum when he is a Brit in a British team?

Owned by Germans :)

I fully understand Lewis is well supported on here, it seems some don't like the fact that others don't support him though. I am just saying all these claims that Alonso DNF etc for the good of the "show" is just nonsense, it's so Lewis can win and if Lewis was winning there would be no call to see him retire to make the title interesting.
 
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