Singapore Grand Prix 2012, Marina Bay - Race 14/20

I suggest you go back and read peoples responses to Hamiltons DNF. There are a lot of people who are far from Lewis fans who felt for him and for what it does for the championship. I think your far to quick to assume anything not positive about Alonso automatically translates into Alonso hate. Even some of his biggest critics (including me) have been commending him this year.

I would love to see Hamilton win, but I would rather it was from an epic season long battle that went down to the wire than just storming away with it. Just look at how many Vettel 'fans' got fed up with his domination last year. But the simple fact is that for that to happen this year Alonso needs some bad luck. Its not a personal attack against Alonso fans, its support for the sport. Of course there are some Hamilton fans in the mix, but there are also a lot of neutral people. Whilst probably not the same combination of individuals, the general feeling across the board would be the same regardless of who was in front and who was chasing. It was definitely the same in 2011 and 2009. It just so happens that this year its 'your guy' out front. Don't take it personally.

If someone else was out in front and Alonso was the main hope for beating them then it would be the other way around, and everyone would expect you to be in there with those hoping for the other guy to have some bad luck. And it certainly wouldn't be an exclusive group of solely Alonso fans.

But above all, the simple fact is that the majority of people who watch F1 (I.e. not us few) don't like domination, regardless of who its by, its boring.
 
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dannyjo22 said:
Why does hamilton have to come into your defence of Schumacher all the time? I imagine as not all those accidents last year were Lewis fault that it might be close for driving errors between the pair of them this year to lewis last year. Hell MS still has time to get more in as well.

None of us know whether it was age, you can't say it was anymore than I can say it was. It could be his age and just the natural diminishing of skills/attention/judgement the same as any 40+ driver would suffer.

Either way he stuffed up, tried to lie again and then fessed up. Perhaps your right it's not his age. He did that all through his career. :p

;);););)
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or it could be from trying to overdrive a crap car constantly to defend vs faster cars such as the renault every race ?

remember when hamilton had a poopbox and overdrove the car an had all those accidents that suddenly disapeared when he was given a competent car?

FIA taking into acount its the second similar incident this season is BS...

he was already punished for that and even the prison system doesnt punish you twice for the same offence....

should have been a 5 place grid drop at most, he took his helmet and hood off so he could apologise to vergne face to face, how many others would have left there helmet on and walked away?

also lets not forget
http://en.espnf1.com/singapore/motorsport/story/89444.html
and again in P3

i guess its easy to forget he had brake problems all weekend...... he even mentioned in in his interview after qualifying
 
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Skeeter said:
But above all, the simple fact is that the majority of people who watch F1 (I.e. not us few) don't like domination, regardless of who its by, its boring.
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Nail on head. I support Lewis but I wouldn't want him to win a WDC by dominating with a car like what Vettel won his last one with.
 
Skeeter said:
But above all, the simple fact is that the majority of people who watch F1 (I.e. not us few) don't like domination, regardless of who its by, its boring.
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Very easy to say when it's never been put to the test, but I doubt we would see any bad luck wished on Lewis if he was leading the title by a margin.
 
Mr Men said:
Owned by Germans :)

I fully understand Lewis is well supported on here, it seems some don't like the fact that others don't support him though. I am just saying all these claims that Alonso DNF etc for the good of the "show" is just nonsense, it's so Lewis can win and if Lewis was winning there would be no call to see him retire to make the title interesting.
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But McLaren isn't even part owned by Mercedes anymore? They sold their share back to McLaren last year? It is primarily owned now by a Middle Eastern company and Ron Dennis with another group, possibly TAG i think? On my phone so can't check properly.
 
Cannot believe kimi is still in 3rd,no way they will win it though, can't overtake in that lotus very well.
 
MissChief said:
But McLaren isn't even part owned by Mercedes anymore? They sold their share back to McLaren last year? It is primarily owned now by a Middle Eastern company and Ron Dennis with another group, possibly TAG i think? On my phone so can't check properly.
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The major share holders are TAG and Ron Dennis, with a Bahrain holding company holding a minor share. Not sure on the exact numbers though, but at a guess its probably around 40/40/20.
 
Duke said:
Can't wait for Suzuka, such a good track. Hoping for Button to win it again :)
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Yeah, I think Jenson will win it again :)

He seems to prefer the more flowing tracks like Spa, Canada and Suzuka (which he of course won last year)...

Also the Mclaren should definitely be the fastest car around Suzuka and it's a country and most importantly circuit which Jenson loves.
 
If Lewis' car doesn't lunch itself and/or the team/another driver doesn't do something stupid, I think it's his race to win.

I guess it depends on what other teams are doing in terms of upgrades, but the McLaren is clearly the car to beat at the moment and in Hamilton's hands it's looking very hard to do so, except by some external force.
 
Did I hear right that Lotus will be running their double DRS thingy? Hope they get it working and it shoves them that bit closer to the front in Quali.
 
Guerrilla said:
Did I hear right that Lotus will be running their double DRS thingy? Hope they get it working and it shoves them that bit closer to the front in Quali.
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Yep, I think Suzuka has always been the plan for when it would be used.

Interestingly, the change in the rules that bans these 'Double DRS' devices renders the Mercedes DDRS illegal, but doesn't make Lotus's system, or the other system Mercedes tested at the Young Drivers Test illegal.
 
Do Lotus /Kimi realy stand anything more than a theoretical chance?

They need a major upgrade to work out of the box (which doenst happen that often) to arrive in Suzuka for Kimi to challange Alonso / SV / LH

I have to say I still think JB will beat LH in the championship which should allow McLaren to win the WCC although it will be very close with RBR

McLaren Really need to improve their reliability

Anyone got a link to engine /gearbox usage per driver for this season?
 
FrankJH said:
Do Lotus /Kimi realy stand anything more than a theoretical chance?
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I think he has as much chance as Hamilton or Button. Yes the specifics are different (Lotus need a faster car, while McLaren need to stop screwing up or dropping the ball), but he's still in with a chance. After all, he is 3rd in the championship, ahead of all but 2 of the race winners this year, including a number of multiple race winners, all without winning a race himself.

Kimi is doing the same as Alonso, just without the race wins. He's being consistent and keeping his nose clean.
 
FrankJH said:
I have to say I still think JB will beat LH in the championship which should allow McLaren to win the WCC although it will be very close with RBR
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I think McLaren (and JB/LH) would be daft not to back Hamilton from this point onwards, he's got no chance of taking the title if Button is taking points off him and Button hasn't got a hope in hell of taking the title from where he is now. It would be nice to see them all work together and push the driver with the best chance.

After all, to win the WCC, it doesn't matter which driver they have score points - to win the WDC they need it to be Lewis, so they may as well focus on him now. Why focus on one, when you could get both?
 
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