Just to be clear I am the best fan, the very best and I love Fernado Hamilton and Murry Webber most. I was going when you lot weren't even born, in the 70's when the likes of Fangio and Clark were at their peak and well before Stirling Moss's time.
Singapore Grand Prix 2013, Marina Bay - Race 13/19
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No point watching the rest of the season now. Vettel and Newey have bagged it. Nice to watch vettel continue to get booed. Did he ever make a public apology to Webber?
The Webber/Alonso reprimand and fine is final proof of Richard Hammond's argument (in his feature on NASCAR) that F1 is (or has become) po-faced, arrogant and has a lot to learn about entertaining the fans.
Look at MotoGP. The post race celebrations are fantastic; Lorenzo stopping his bike halfway around the lap to plant a flag in the gravel-trap in front of the fans (while the marshalls hold his bike), other riders doing mega burnouts until the tyres burst. Dangerous? Possibly. Entertaining? Definitely.
Look at MotoGP. The post race celebrations are fantastic; Lorenzo stopping his bike halfway around the lap to plant a flag in the gravel-trap in front of the fans (while the marshalls hold his bike), other riders doing mega burnouts until the tyres burst. Dangerous? Possibly. Entertaining? Definitely.
Isn't it the case that they each made a small mistake, Alonso driving badly and Webber running onto the track. Each of these is relatively minor, a mister-meaner, and we wouldn't have heard anything about it where it not for Webber totting up 3 such indiscretions.
I think it's quite right that the FIA has a points system for such indiscretions - it's just a shame that Webber accrued his third and final point in such a public way.
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F1 is not Nascar and never will be. Americans love to be entertained everything is a show to them. F1 is the pinnacle of car racing we are led to believe so it does things differently.
Motogp is the pinnacle in the bike world. Its certianly not nascar.
Theres taking things to far and removing the fun aspect for little/no reason.
Allow some fun on the lap and drivers/marshal wil be expectng it, minimizing risk.
I really do miss the days of parade laps with flags.
Theres taking things to far and removing the fun aspect for little/no reason.
Allow some fun on the lap and drivers/marshal wil be expectng it, minimizing risk.
I really do miss the days of parade laps with flags.
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Burnouts I wouldn't care about but you wouldn't find it happening in F1 if it was allowed. Leave extra rubber and weight on the track when they are trying to make weight... not a chance. Stopping on track, yeah a bike restarts with the press of a button, an F1 car doesn't, so again that isn't going to happen. Doing donuts, is one thing running onto the track around a blind corner with two cars coming around it who could easily have hit a stopped car or man running onto the track are not in any way comparable.
AFAIK Moto GP tracks are vastly different to street circuits as well, huge wide open spaces. As said if Alonso did what he did at the end of the straight with easily 5+ seconds or reaction time for other cars/drivers, there would be almost no danger. Around a corner where drivers will have a very small amount of time to react... Hamilton was doing over 80kph as he entered that corner AND had a car alongside him. Hamilton could easily have turned left by accident, hit Rosberg, hit ALonso and hit Webber.
People really do talk nonsense, if someone ran onto a motorway to jump in a stopped car on a motorway where other people were doing 80kph people would be talking darwin awards. Someone does it on an f1 track around a sharp corner.... it's the FIA being overly health and safety concious....
If in Moto GP someone was doing a donut when a fan or other driver ran onto the track and got hit... would that be okay? Running onto the track is almost never okay when drivers are travelling around at speed, and absolutely never around a blind corner and on the driving line.
I personally think good tyres, donuts, it's all fine though I don't think it's very feasable anymore due to weight limits, tv money/podium things needing to be done for tv reasons, etc. They aren't really dangerous or a problem in the right place at the right time. A donut at the end of a straight on the right track with plenty of space for other drivers to pass... fine, around the corner on a tight street circuit...utterly stupid.
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Has this really become a ****ing contest about who's the biggest fan? Get a grip folks!
LOL, no, just pointing out that because we didn't go to Singapore, it doesn't mean he can look down at us and tell us to "go **** ourselves". I don't like elitist "*******".
The "24 years F1 nut" bit was merely for putting into context what was to follow (namely that national and club racing is so much more accessible, but I'm still F1 through and through).
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erm, MotoGP bikes require a bump start from a set of motorised rollers to get going or being pushed by half a dozen marshalls if your Rossi
MotoGP race on Silverstone, Nurburing(sp) & other tracks used by F1. The only exception is IoM TT & Macau. But they are only raced by SuperStock/SuperSport. They used to race the old 500 2-strokes at Macau but that was back in the old days of Schwantz.
I used to be amazed at some of the track invasions at the end of a MotoGP race but the fans knew how far to push it & respected the riders. Even the marshalls used to go right onto the track waving the flags.
How long in F1 before the H&S folk deem that spraying champagne on the podium is too dangerous as it may go in someones eye causing damage or that standing on your car to celebrate in Parc Ferme is a no no as you could fall off & hurt yourself or someone else.
I go to Silverstone every year, I don't think it gives me anything more than I get from watching it on TV, I don't really watch much analysis or build up by the BBC or Sky as I find they tend to stick to the "Brits Rule" mantra which is not up my street
My point is still the same, at the race you might have seen Webber go past on Alonso's car, you might not have seen the way he got onto Alonso's car which got the attention of the stewards, and even though you were at the race you only see the same footage of the incident as someone not there.
Awesome, would love to go myself.
I completely disagree about not getting anything more, you get the atmosphere, sound, see it all happening, it's out of this world! Maybe Silverstone isn't that great then, I know it's expensive, but the logistical hassle and lack of partying and atmosphere in the area might mean I get a bit bored?
But Singapore really surpassed my expectations by a huge margain. It's hard to put it into words, but even hough in Shanghai we saw loads of the race, loads of overtaking, crashes and events, it really didn't compare to the overall weekend spectacle of Singapore. We also got to see Rihanna and the Killers (some might see these as a negatives), got to party in a buzzing city full of F1 fans and even watched the GP2 race from Marina Bay Sands with cocktails in hand. This street circuit and location are second to none and I doubt that Monaco or Abu Dhabi would be nearly as good for a normal (non-super rich) person!
I'm not trying to willy wave 'Oh I'm the real F1 fan', but these F1 threads just seem to break out into heated arguments with people holding very strong views of certain events during the race. Get over it, cheer up and enjoy the sport
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I find this thread interesting. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I think in recent years we have been lucky as fans because the seasons have been so close:
2007 - Down to the last race. Raikkonen won it by a point.
2008 - Down to the last race. Hamilton won it by a point.
2009 - Excitement of the newly formed Brawn with early Aero advantage securing
constructors on their debut and Button taking the title in the penultimate race.
2010 - The last race of the season for once was Abu Dhabi (which I personally prefered) and 4 drivers could have won the championship. Vettel won it.
2011 - Vettel won it by a whopping 122 points ahead of closest Rival Button.
2012 - Frankly an awesome season. 7 different winners in the first 7 races. Down to the last race again and Vettel took it ahead of Alonso on points by coming home in 6th place despite crashing on the first lap.
Now if you look at the above. The only boring season was really 2011 due to RBR/Vettel domination. I think the problem is that last season he was very lucky to come away with the title. Vetttel seems to have a lot of luck and always come out on top with anything controversial or any conflict. To then take the title in the way he did with Alonso battling so hard in an inferior car and Vettel having previously crashed and being lucky that he coudl continue, this annoyed a lot of people as they wanted Alonso to take it.
Now in 2013 we are back to more RBR domination. I think if we are patient, next season could/should be completely wide open with the new rules. However, the problem is...RBR are never going to be slow when it is still so aero based. They have a good package regardless.
I think in recent years we have been lucky as fans because the seasons have been so close:
2007 - Down to the last race. Raikkonen won it by a point.
2008 - Down to the last race. Hamilton won it by a point.
2009 - Excitement of the newly formed Brawn with early Aero advantage securing
constructors on their debut and Button taking the title in the penultimate race.
2010 - The last race of the season for once was Abu Dhabi (which I personally prefered) and 4 drivers could have won the championship. Vettel won it.
2011 - Vettel won it by a whopping 122 points ahead of closest Rival Button.
2012 - Frankly an awesome season. 7 different winners in the first 7 races. Down to the last race again and Vettel took it ahead of Alonso on points by coming home in 6th place despite crashing on the first lap.
Now if you look at the above. The only boring season was really 2011 due to RBR/Vettel domination. I think the problem is that last season he was very lucky to come away with the title. Vetttel seems to have a lot of luck and always come out on top with anything controversial or any conflict. To then take the title in the way he did with Alonso battling so hard in an inferior car and Vettel having previously crashed and being lucky that he coudl continue, this annoyed a lot of people as they wanted Alonso to take it.
Now in 2013 we are back to more RBR domination. I think if we are patient, next season could/should be completely wide open with the new rules. However, the problem is...RBR are never going to be slow when it is still so aero based. They have a good package regardless.
Alonso just posted this on Twitter 
https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/382463821530419201
Shame he didn't shop Vettel being chased in front
https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/382463821530419201
Shame he didn't shop Vettel being chased in front
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Awesome
Alonso just posted this on Twitter
https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/382463821530419201
Shame he didn't shop Vettel being chased in front
Love it
Indeed... these days, all the cars are very close in speed. Two things have changed over the last couple of decades; reliability has improved dramatically and the cars' relative performance has closed up. It used to be fairly common for the slowest cars to miss the 107% qualifying threshold. Last weekend 22nd placed Max Chilton was 2.5 sec inside 107%, and 2.7 sec inside 107% at the shorter Monza track.
Vettel/RedBull may look quick - but the whole field is a lot closer these days than it used to be.
Because the hardware is so much more reliable now than in the past, and performance differences are as small as they've ever been - the championship is more down to the driver these days. This is surely a good thing, no?
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In equal machinery, for sure the driver has more input, but if you take the current RB and the current Ferrari, they are quite difference in performance, going from qualifying pace.
For sure the RedBull for the 2nd half of this season has had a significant hardware advantage. But looking at the bigger picture, the last three years, the whole grid - I don't think the hardware has ever been as equal as these last three years. Even with the three new teams. They are faster, relative to the rest of the field, than the Arrows and Minardi of a decade+ ago.
F1 has once again been the victim of poor media coverage of something. Webber and Alonso were not penalized for the lift back to the pits. Webber was penalized for running across the track across the racing line after the apex on a blind corner, and Alonso was penalized for stopping on the racing line after the apex on a blind corner.
If they had just shook hands and exchanged "sup's", and Webber then walked back to his car and waited for the recovery truck, they would have still got the reprimands that they did. The taxi ride was irrelevant.
But hey, "Webber gets 10 place grid drop for hitching a lift" sounds like a catchy headline, regardless of if its factual.