Singapore Grand Prix 2013, Marina Bay - Race 13/19

[Orch]

My ridiculous stance? You're the H&S girl.

All that needed to happen is in the next drivers meeting, tell everyone that if you're going to do such things, pull off the racing line by a safe distance. Sorted.

These images:

personify everything about the sport we all love.

But you H&S nuts just want to keep drilling the soul from it.

 

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Guys, you really are soo serious in these F1 discussions, chill a little!!!!

Ive been been brought up with HSE heavily life and jobs so am inclined to be worried how dangerous it was and just epically stupid.

But the above is what sums it up. In the end, nothing happened, the world didn't implode, enjoy it. We were all cheering when Webber came by with Alonso, such a great moment and certainly got soooooooo much more noise and applause than anything else during the race!!!!

No matter who people were suppprting, we were all together in unison during this moment and even giving Veteel a round of applause on the podium.... Plenty of boos from us during the race for him

 

[smr]

Think you might be watching the wrong Sport. Horse racing might be more up your street.

 

[Zuban]

I can speak about Valentino Rossi. The answer is a resounding no. Rossi is not boo'd and is loved by many. I think I could go as far as saying a majority in fact. Why? He is a joyful character both on and off the track. He is gracious in defeat and a true sportsman. He loves and enjoys his racing and you never hear him give excuses. He is loved and people want to see him win despite him winning multiple world championships working up from the bottom.

Valentino Rossi would be the complete contrast of someone like Casey Stoner. Stoner had a shed load of haters. it was just as passionate as the hate for Vettel. They share some similarities. With Stoner, he came across as ungrateful and always complaining. Many nicknamed him Casey Moaner. He was always blaming everything but himself when something did not go to plan or worse, when he was flat out beaten. There was/is no denying he is one of the fastest motogp riders ever. Yet the way he won...again...a lot of the time was with the fastest bike in terms of power and his smaller size, and often from the front with less over taking.

Fans want to see racing. We want to see close races. Rossi won a lot of races from coming through from poor quali spots. Stoner won from the front a lot.

I think the boredom of seeing domination from certain teams at certain periods for fans, would be forgiven if the driver/rider was/is a great character. Vettel...you could write a book on the reasons not to like him. Give me a list of good things about him. He can drive an F1 car fast. For some this is enough. The problem is...it also happens to be the best car he has inherited through a fairly minimal time in top flight motor racing.

thanks, quite an interesting comparison really. I don't think red bull's attitude of the boo's just make us stronger, or telling vettel to feed of the boo's is a particularly healthy one, It seems rather childish, although it fit's with what appears to be a self centred attitude in general at that team. They would do better to perhaps try and appreciate the reasons why its happening because no doubt they could change it if they wanted to.

 

[Danthus]

Is it really the case that people don't like Vettel?

I will be honest, when I have seen him interviewed he always comes across as a pretty decent guy, yes he is ruthless, the multi 21 situation highlights this but he always seems quite likeable to me.

I think the issue with lots of people is the way Vettel is treated within Redbull, it appears he can flout team orders with little or no consequence, I remember the crash where he and Webber collided, again, RBR were almost instant in their condemnation of Webber, then there was Silvertsone, Vettel got the front wing off Webbers car.

On top of that you have Dr. Helmut Marko publicly criticising Webber and simultaneously polishing Vettels halo.

The dislike for Vettel in my opinion is more to do with him and RBR rather than just him as a person.

 

[clv101]

http://www.blick.ch/sport/formel1/der-wahnsinn-von-singapur-im-video-id2450773.html

Wow the video is pretty crazy - it could easily have been very nasty. The problem here isn't so much that Alonso picked up Webber, that was cool, it's what the sport needs. What the sport doesn't need is drivers stopping on the racing line, on a corner, and for other drivers to be running around on track, on the racing line, on a corner!

Webber should have stayed on the escape road, Alonso could have pulled into that area...

No harm done in the end, but, after seeing that video, I think the FIA were right to send the signal they have done.

 

[413x]

penalty is fair

3 reprimands and a grid penalty, he knew he had 2, he now has 3, he wouldnt have got a penalty had he only 1

 

[Irish_Tom]

I think there are a number of factors…

In general yes, he comes across as a very nice guy in interviews and media skits.

However, there have been instances where he's come across as a petulant child "get him out of my way" springs to mind. Having said that, Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi et al all have their moments.

The finger really doesn't do him any favours, it's almost a case of being a bad winner. However, RBR's twitter feed had a picture of him winning a GP2 race back in the day doing the same thing so I guess it's just his 'signature'.

Then there's the Mlti-21 scenario and other instances of unfair treatment of Webber.

It all adds up.

During his podium interview yesterday he said that when all the other teams have packed up and gone to bed, him and his side of the garage (with Newey and Horner I expect) are still up, working out how to get another tenth here and another hundredth there.

Ultimately if he (they) are that driven then that's what it's going to take to beat them.

 

[413x]

i dont hate vettel, hes doing what he has to and doing it well tbh. he is obviously flattered by a very very exceptional car design team but unless you believe conspiracy theories he has completely outclassed webber
there are bad points, like the overtake on webber that time, but i dont hate him for that, tbh i couldnt hate a sports person, just to strong an emotion!!

i for one dont want rules that hurt a team specifically, ie some sort of handicap, and equally i dont like mid season changes, like the tires

 

[smr]

There's also the "Derren Brown" effect as well I guess. Remember that show where the audience were manipulated and made bad choices rather than good for that guy throughout his day?

Similar thing - people who aren't overly bothered either way about Vettel but see someone booing and then think it's fun to join in, or just do it because it's what everyone else is doing - could be a large percentage of people in that category that boo him...

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Haha, the health and safety crying in this thread. Laughable.
I know it was a bad race, but shoehorning in some false outrage will not make it better...
The video doesn't even look too dramatic?

These drivers are the best in the world, with lighting reflexes, driving cars with crazy amounts of grip. Nobody died, or crashed, no pain was caused. The "what if?" crew need to calm down.

Webber trundling round on Alonso's car was one of the few interesting things to happen yesterday.

 

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Think you might be watching the wrong Sport. Horse racing might be more up your street.

Think you might need to attend some F1 races across the globe rather than sitting in blighty and commenting on the interwebs from your PC/laptop.

 

[Mr Men]

Think you might need to attend some F1 races across the globe rather than sitting in blighty and commenting on the interwebs from your PC/laptop.

Not sure how that matters? The way Webber got his lift was the problem, not that he got a lift back to the pits.

 

[deuse]

Not sure how that matters? The way Webber got his lift was the problem, not that he got a lift back to the pits.

There was no problem.

And this goes to show what a load of crap F1 has become when people argue over something that's been done before.

Next the motor sport nannies will be tell MotoGp to stop pulling wheelies.

 

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Not sure how that matters? The way Webber got his lift was the problem, not that he got a lift back to the pits.

You're obviously the kinda guy who's well into his F1 and is quite opinionated.

My point is, forget analysing all the info, web, BBC and other crap and get yourself out for some races. Internet only fans can go **** themselves, the real F1 fans are obvious and there are many many out at the races I've been to.

Its funny watching forum responses from the TV footage with people being very opinionated and trying to show off their thoughts off when they are the ones watching it at home, on the internet and tv, in their pants, and there are many people actually there at the events, rightfully laughing at such **** giving some live perspective.

 

[Duke]

Not checked this thread since midday. Wow. Cya in 2 weeks.

 

[this_is_gav]

My point is, forget analysing all the info, web, BBC and other crap and get yourself out for some races. Internet only fans can go **** themselves, the real F1 fans are obvious and there are many many out at the races I've been to.

I've been an F1 nut for coming on 24 years now (missing maybe a few dozen races in that time, but always watching them back when I get home), attend all sorts of races throughout the year (another club racing event at Oulton this weekend), but F1 remains where my heart lies...

...But I've no inclination to attend another F1 event. There's a great atmosphere around the event, but in terms of on-track action, you get little of the info you get on TV, and for the most part the fans are fans of the drivers, not necessarily fans of the sport. Try to discuss suspension geometry or EBDs with most of them and you get a blank look.

If I could do what Kravitz did, I'd be all over it, but F1 is so closed to the fans, I just can't enjoy it.

For me, events at smaller venues are where the true motorsport fans gather, and the smaller the tracks/event, the closer you get to the core.*

*We were camped next door to Sir Chris Hoy's motorhome at Cadwell park 3 weeks back, him racing in the Radicals, our mates in the MR2 and Nippon series. That's not going to happen in F1 - you'll never find yourself having a few beers feet from one of the stars.

 

[clv101]

I've been an F1 nut for coming on 24 years now (missing maybe a few dozen races in that time, but always watching them back when I get home), attend all sorts of races throughout the year (another club racing event at Oulton this weekend), but F1 remains where my heart lies...

Has this really become a ****ing contest about who's the biggest fan? Get a grip folks!

 

[JHeaton]

On a slightly more light-hearted note...

 

[Mr Men]

You're obviously the kinda guy who's well into his F1 and is quite opinionated.

My point is, forget analysing all the info, web, BBC and other crap and get yourself out for some races. Internet only fans can go **** themselves, the real F1 fans are obvious and there are many many out at the races I've been to.

Its funny watching forum responses from the TV footage with people being very opinionated and trying to show off their thoughts off when they are the ones watching it at home, on the internet and tv, in their pants, and there are many people actually there at the events, rightfully laughing at such **** giving some live perspective.

I go to Silverstone every year, I don't think it gives me anything more than I get from watching it on TV, I don't really watch much analysis or build up by the BBC or Sky as I find they tend to stick to the "Brits Rule" mantra which is not up my street

My point is still the same, at the race you might have seen Webber go past on Alonso's car, you might not have seen the way he got onto Alonso's car which got the attention of the stewards, and even though you were at the race you only see the same footage of the incident as someone not there.