Singapore Grand Prix 2013, Marina Bay - Race 13/19
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I don't really understand this. Alonso in a car that isn't the best has.... won no titles. Hamilton in a car that isn't the best has.... won no titles. Yet they are considered great drivers (rightly so). What are people asking of Vettel? That he has to win a title in a car that isn't the best to be considered as good as guys who can't win titles in uncompetitive cars
I don't like the guy at all, but he has been on top long enough that all the excuses don't hold any water any more. His 3 (4) WDCs are enough to put him on a par with Hamilton and Alonso, people don't need to keep inventing more and more bizzare targets to keep themselves believing he's rubbish.
There comes a point when you just have to admit he's good.
They seem to want him to go from 14th on the grid every race with no 'lucky' safety cars, the cars in front of him all to go without incident and dive in from 150 yards back for every overtake for it to actually count. Oh and he can't use DRS for those overtakes either because that'd be too easy.
Na, as said, i think he is a brilliant driver. I just want to see him in a car that isn't far superior to the rest of the field.
Hamilton and Alonso have both shown that they can bring a dog to onto the podium and even 1st. Excuse the TR thing, pastaface did it in a Williams...Right set-up, right day.
Hamilton and Alonso have both shown that they can bring a dog to onto the podium and even 1st. Excuse the TR thing, pastaface did it in a Williams...Right set-up, right day.
It's hilarious. Inventing excuses instead of simply saying 'it'd be nice if someone else won because we don't want another Schumacher era'. Instead you've got disgusting comments about wanting him to crash from the 5 year old that is deuse and most others hating on him for winning. The guy's just simply a very good driver. Race threads are the same time after time.
Rybo - Maldonado has shown that he can be a quick driver though. Not often, but flashes of incredible speed. He just hasn't had a competitive car ever so that makes it even more impressive.
Rybo - Maldonado has shown that he can be a quick driver though. Not often, but flashes of incredible speed. He just hasn't had a competitive car ever so that makes it even more impressive.
Loled
I'm with you and el_dazza, I want to see a more exciting and interesting race. A single driver dominating F1 is not fun to watch, and it makes people turn off. But I'm not going to keep inventing reasons why Vettel is rubbish to try to justify my position. If anything people should be pointing the finger at everyone else for being unable to keep up.
My window cleaner went to Silverstone and he said after the race Hamilton,Perez and Vettel came over into the crowd to do signatures and to talk to their fans. He said Vettel was the comedian making everyone laugh and chatting to everyone.
On the other hand Button completely ignored them and walked straight past. (no cameras about so he wasn't interested, as my window cleaner put it)
It is not the first time i have heard about Vettel being good with the fans.
On the other hand Button completely ignored them and walked straight past. (no cameras about so he wasn't interested, as my window cleaner put it)
It is not the first time i have heard about Vettel being good with the fans.
The best comment was from a few weeks back when someone said he needs to win races by 1 or 2 seconds to be good, because winning by 20 seconds meant he was rubbish
Don't twist my words — I didn't say winning by 20 seconds meant he was rubbish. I was expressing the same thing as Rybo89 just in different terms.
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What we are asking of Vettel is that he drive for a team that hasn't got arguably the best car, and see if he can still get wins and pole positions. Alonso and Raikonen have been in 3/4 teams and some of them have been bad cars. Hamilton has been in bad cars even if he has only changed team once, so I can't say for certain he is great until we finish the season or next.
Heck, Vettel has not even had to cope with a change of car that didn't suit his style. Hamilton changed to Mercedes where the brakes were all wrong for him, but once he developed, he still won.
Until we have more information on what Vettel can do when the car isn't no. 1, it is impossible for anyone to say whether he is better than others or not. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
Maybe we will see next season with the new rules, a car that does not suit Vettel perfectly, and then we will see if he car drag it to the front.
non story. Vettel is bound to be happy with the fans having won the last THREE world championships. Besides, he knows he has work to do in winning the British public over as as a collective didn't they boo him something chronic when his car broke down even.
He's just trying to make friends is all.
If you really don't know the answer to that I should take up knitting. And as you've been told button only beat Lewis
once and that was in his worse ever seasonWho you going to back when button leaves F1?
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Thank you gg wp thxbye.
FP1 Times
Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109977
FP2 Times
Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109985
Will catch up the practice on F1 Show tonight as I didn't get to follow it. Looks rather predictable already though, especially as he won the previous two races here.
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[b]Pos Driver Team Time Gap Laps[/b]
1. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m47.055s 20
2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m47.420s +0.365s 20
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m47.885s +0.830s 19
4. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m48.239s +1.184s 23
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m48.354s +1.299s 18
6. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m48.355s +1.300s 12
7. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m48.362s +1.307s 21
8. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1m49.267s +2.212s 20
9. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m49.348s +2.293s 23
10. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m49.355s +2.300s 21
11. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m49.481s +2.426s 20
12. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m49.493s +2.438s 16
13. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m49.510s +2.455s 21
14. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m49.608s +2.553s 20
15. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m49.887s +2.832s 18
16. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m50.092s +3.037s 20
17. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1m50.222s +3.167s 17
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m50.757s +3.702s 16
19. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1m52.359s +5.304s 16
20. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1m52.673s +5.618s 15
21. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m52.920s +5.865s 24
22. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1m53.647s +6.592s 23Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109977
FP2 Times
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[b]Pos Driver Team Time Gap Laps[/b]
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m44.249s 34
2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m44.853s +0.604s 30
3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m45.258s +1.009s 34
4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1m45.368s +1.119s 33
5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m45.411s +1.162s 18
6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m45.691s +1.442s 32
7. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m45.754s +1.505s 30
8. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m45.778s +1.529s 32
9. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m46.002s +1.753s 27
10. Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1m46.025s +1.776s 31
11. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m46.406s +2.157s 34
12. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m46.429s +2.180s 33
13. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m46.606s +2.357s 33
14. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1m46.808s +2.559s 36
15. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m46.870s +2.621s 33
16. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m47.287s +3.038s 29
17. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m47.434s +3.185s 33
18. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m47.761s +3.512s 25
19. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m49.434s +5.185s 34
20. Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1m49.526s +5.277s 34
21. Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1m49.619s +5.370s 33
22. Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1m49.731s +5.482s 30Report - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109985
Will catch up the practice on F1 Show tonight as I didn't get to follow it. Looks rather predictable already though, especially as he won the previous two races here.
Not that one again ..oh dear
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13
Now that's what counts in F1
have you had your child yet?Not that one again ..oh dear
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13
Now that's what counts in F1
Points mean everything in F1 actually.