Poll: Singapore Grand Prix 2017, Singapore - Race 14/20

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Vettel's fault, but he can't of known Kimi would have got such a blinding start and had already pinned Max. It was just a merging of cars. He made the mistake and, barring a capitulation from Mercedes, it's going to cost him the championship. Ferrari's tweets were an embarrassing mess.

Giedo has a point too...

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ThestigGT999 said:
vettel prevented him from pulling out/slowing down?
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Yes you got it in one. Regardless of how light the rain, if he presses the brakes hard there he's likely to not have great control and hit random bumps, it's not a braking zone they would be practised for braking in. then the Vettel swerve was so aggressive and fast that no, he didn't have time to back off enough and yes he backed off but that doesn't have an monstrously large effect. Due to spray and other things slowing significantly in that situation is incredibly dangerous because for all Verstappen knows there is someone 5m behind him and if he slows unnaturally early then someone may ram straight in to him.

That is exactly why he couldn't slam on the brakes or move out of the way in time, Vettel's move was reckless and way to quick for anyone to react safely.
 
Jokester said:
Max panicked and showed his inexperience. If he held his line then Vettel would have had to have stopped coming over. Maybe he wouldn't have and he would have crashed into him and then yes we could have blamed Vettel, but the fact remains it was a coming together between Kimi and Max and then a cascade of events after that.
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I suggest you watch the videos, Max doesn't move off line until hit. Kimi had loads of room on his left. Seb was way too aggressive on cutting across to the other side of the track. Ferarri deserved the result and should be lsughed at for their PR comments. Max was unlucky.
Andi.
 
andicole0 said:
I suggest you watch the videos, Max doesn't move off line until hit. Kimi had loads of room on his left. Seb was way too aggressive on cutting across to the other side of the track. Ferarri deserved the result and should be lsughed at for their PR comments. Max was unlucky.
Andi.
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I think you should watch the videos again. Vettel does not "swerve" he comes across at a steady rate and when about half a cars width Max then turns left closing in on Kimi who is already hard up against him. I'm not sure if it's Kimi that moves right or the initial collision forces the car right, but at no point is there a collision between Vettel and Max. It's Max spinning Kimi round into the tail of Vettel that causes all the damage to his car.

If Max had held his line and speed then it wouldn't have happened.

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Edit: Actually, it's pretty clear that Kimi is driving straight all the time until he's hit.
 
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this_is_gav said:
Bottas did.
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I don't know where and when Bottas hit the brakes but when the whole grid is steaming towards the first corner in limited visibility, hitting the brakes at a non braking point when the guy behind cannot see too far ahead, is not a great idea, in fact couldn't it potentially cause a bigger pileup than what we saw today?
 
From that clip it looks like Max only moved left to avoid Vettel. Kimi just heads straight.

Can't see how anyone can blame Max considering he had to move left. No one in that instance (side by side) would back off.
 
LzR said:
I don't know where and when Bottas hit the brakes but when the whole grid is steaming towards the first corner in limited visibility, hitting the brakes at a non braking point when the guy behind cannot see too far ahead, is not a great idea, in fact couldn't it potentially cause a bigger pileup than what we saw today?
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You're trying to apply logic to the situation. It's all instinct in situations like that - you don't make decisions as such. Vettel's move was probably a deliberate decision that he'd had planned if he had a poor start (not expecting Raikkonen to be there too), but the avoiding action from others is just feel where you are and if you have to back off/brake then you do and you just hope others have enough time to react and you don't get hit.

Let's be honest, half of the field are having to react to others in every start, and that includes backing off and braking.

For the record I am of course not blaming Max; he had no time to react at all - I'm not blaming him in the slightest.
 
I swear half of this forum have been on class A drugs this weekend. What with the boxing now this, it was Vettel's fault all day long. With the exception of our resident troll, if you can't see that you I'd suggest looking at past races for guidance.
 
Seb was way too aggressive coming across as MS used to do, Max reacted slightly as anyone would and Kimi got in the way, Kimi was also not running straight he was heading away from the barrier also to cut Max off. You have to wonder if Ferrari planned the whole move to get max behind. The accident would not have happened if Seb hadn't been over excited in wet conditions, poor judgement by Seb and Kimi who both have little respect for Max who is an exceptional driver. Seb needs to remember that to finish 1st you must first finish and F1 is not a contact sport!
It did show that we can have a great F1 race without Ferrari so lets just stop putting them on a pinnacle, we don't need them and they are so up themselves. They are now trying to distance themselves from their official Twitter feed saying it was used without authority.
Andi.
 
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