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That does Max even less favours, it's hardly aggresive driving from Vettel at all, he eases over to the left and Max panics.
Edit: look at the way he works the steering wheel.
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Edit: look at the way he works the steering wheel.
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I don't see where he was meant to go? It all happened so quickly. It isn't like he could slam on the brakes. Vettels own fault. He should have stayed out wider, it just wasn't worth the risk. Why move over in the first place, especially in those conditions.
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Well put simply, not into the side of Kimi. If he kept it straight would Vettel have kept moving over? Probably not I suspect as even Vettel wouldn't deliberately ram someone (other than Hamilton
). It seems Max was fixated with Vettel not realising he had Kimi passing on the left.
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Well put simply, not into the side of Kimi. If he kept it straight would Vettel have kept moving over? Probably not I suspect as even Vettel wouldn't deliberately ram someone (other than Hamilton
Vettel never stopped moving over. Max backed off, he had nowhere else to go. The problem was the speed that kimi approached with - neither max nor vettel would expect it. No, vettel would never, or has never rammed into anyone...
Don
Yes he never stopped moving over because Max didn't stop him, Vettel isn't an unguided missile, all he is looking at is Max moving left as well giving him more space to move into.
It's only Max then has an "oh ****" moment when he realises Kimi is there.
Are we watching the same video? His steering is stable and constant until the Ferrari's make contact and sandwich him.
If you watch the gif posted earlier, Max is moving left slowly to make sure Vettel doesn't hit him whilst he tries to lunge across the track,and then Kimi, still with more room to move left starts coming inwards meaning Max gets sandwiched.
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Erm, Max moved right after the initial start quite clearly, moved very slightly left again then twitched back right to avoid Kimi whislt trying to back out of being the victim in sandwitch made with moron bread. Anyone not seeing that is also a moron tbh.
Max has pulled some stunts, but he was there fair and square. The start of a race and the first corner are one of the places you accept that if you try a brave move you're putting it all on the line. Bothj Ferraris put it on the line and expected a driver to pretty much stop many car lengths before the first corner and let them through? That's a daft idea and isn't going to happen and any driver with hald a pea of a brain would know this. They pushed their luck and screwed up. Simple. Blaming Max is window-licking levels of stupidity.
Max has pulled some stunts, but he was there fair and square. The start of a race and the first corner are one of the places you accept that if you try a brave move you're putting it all on the line. Bothj Ferraris put it on the line and expected a driver to pretty much stop many car lengths before the first corner and let them through? That's a daft idea and isn't going to happen and any driver with hald a pea of a brain would know this. They pushed their luck and screwed up. Simple. Blaming Max is window-licking levels of stupidity.
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He makes two turns to the left, before a panicked right/left "oh ****" moment.
Kimi is straight as a die down the inside until Max hits him.
No he is not, watch the gif the split second before impact. Kimi comes in towards Max.
Also, if Vettel is allowed to come across the track like that, crowding out the track and expecting the person to the side to move out of the way, why isn't Max allowed to?
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Good point.
Andi.
Don
Sorry, but where has anyone said anything about Vettel expecting people to get out of his way? Max moved out of the way of his on accord seemingly not checking his left side was actually clear to allow him to do so.
Got any onboard of Kimi? I think his movement right is due to the initial impact.
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Max is in full control of his own car (I think?). If he gets bullied by another driver leaving him feeling that he needs to get out of his way then that's his problem, not Vettels.That doesnt make any sense
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Vettel cuts across half the track before Max hits Kimi. Max quite clearly wants to avoid the contact so he goes left.
Where the plan went balls up is Vettel didn't know Kimi was going down the outside, so effectively Vettel pushed Max in to his own teammate.
No driver on the grid would have continued straight at the start with Vettel cutting over. It's a classic "move or I'll hit you" bully tactic that most drivers have tried at some point but the exception here is Vettel did it on T1 when he was surrounded by cars which was ultimately his downfall.
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I agree with this, watching the gif over and over again max does have a twitch left until he realises kimi is there then twitches back right to keep straight, then just a split second before the impact kimi twitches right colliding with the red bull.
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This. Where on earth is max meant to go in that split second. Both ferraris were reckless and shouldn't have put him in that position. How anyone can blame max is beyond me tbh and I am usually quick to blame him!
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All that shows is Vettel moving over aggressively. Max trying to get out the way to avoid a collision only to see kimi coming down the side leaving him nowhere else to go. Hamilton meanwhile has taken the optimal line on the right. Vettel really can't handle these changing conditions, other than that one time way back in 08. Vettel should use his brain more often rather than trying to bully other drivers off the track. It cost him big this time.