People don't like change.
With the depth and quality of squad Man Utd have it will make no difference what tactics he uses, he'll still grind out results and win trophies.
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People don't like change.
With the depth and quality of squad Man Utd have it will make no difference what tactics he uses, he'll still grind out results and win trophies.
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Time of the month?
Who's arguing? I made one post that you agreed with and then later questioned your statement on Moyes and attacking/skillful players. Stop being so defensive, you're making yourself look silly.
And please don't tell me I'm having trouble understanding anything when you're the one that's twice said that I believe Moyes will play the same tactics, something I've never said.
No, you've clearly not looked properly at what I've said and then went on to say: "You evidently can't read."
This is the sort of thing you often do, I've picked up on it.
Let me summarise for you, I think he will change his tactics. He has to:
1. He's got a totally different squad (different roles)
2. A club with a totally different ethos and expectations
3. Players that are on a totally different level to the ones he currently has
Yes, it's a gamble, but not a very big one given that the greatest manager of all time has deemed him a perfectly worthy successor. I trust he knows what he's talking about more than you or I.
You'll get in trouble for saying that
Of course playing the same tactics with better players is likely to get better results than with Everton's squad but I can't think of many sides that have regularly won trophies while using relatively negative tactics.
Mourinho's Chelsea side was often accused of being negative but I think that was somewhat exaggerated. They were capable of grinding out 1-0's when they had to but on the whole they played decent football too.
No, I will tell you why I said you can't read. You said the following:
Now if you can find me saying that I think he will keep the same tactics then fair enough but you won't because I haven't. You either can't read or are simply a bit dim.
Something you often do is make stupid statements that you can't back-up and when you get called up on them you keep digging. Stop digging Robbo, you're making yourself look silly.
I've not post in this thread to argue - stop being defensive over nothing.
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Regarding the rest of you post and why you think he will change - remember, I've not said he won't. That's fair enough, it's perfectly logical to think he should change but look at previous managers and whether they've changed when moving to different clubs. Not all managers will change. Will Moyes? We'll soon find out.
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You'll get in trouble for saying that
Of course playing the same tactics with better players is likely to get better results than with Everton's squad but I can't think of many sides that have regularly won trophies while using relatively negative tactics.
Mourinho's Chelsea side was often accused of being negative but I think that was somewhat exaggerated. They were capable of grinding out 1-0's when they had to but on the whole they played decent football too.
Well he has one massive advantage now, Sir Alex is in the boardroom. I'm sure he will be receiving allot of advice from Sir Alex on signing,tactics etc.
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Moyes: Right, first priority is to sign a world class midfielder
Fergie: No, you don't really need that. I think you should get a striker or two, you can always play them on the wing.
I feel that you implied it. You gave that impression. The fact I may have mistaken that is hardly a big deal, but now you're resorting to thinly veiled personal attacks and you call me defensive just for disagreeing with you?! That's very strange. I know where your hostility has come from though, as do you.
Jesus ****ing christ.
I implied it? Sounds familiar to another thread Robbo. You really need to stop reading so much into peoples statements it seems because you're taking things the wrong way.
And I've not attacked anybody. I said you can't read because you suggested that I said something that I very clearly didn't and I've called you defensive as you claimed I was arguing when all I was doing was discussing Moyes's managerial style.
I've said Moyes is a gamble because he's neither proven at the highest level nor has he a history of playing the sort of football that you'd think was conducive to a side of the size, stature or expectations of Utd.
And no, I can't see why you made the assumption because it's not something I've said. The fact that you quoted and agreed with me saying that we're going to have to wait and see whether he'll change makes it even more incredible that you've then made the assumption just a few minutes later.
edit: Whether Moyes is willing to change his tactics is only half the challenge. Whether he can do so effectively is another question. Had Utd appointed a manager that's already shown he can effectively play attacking football (ie had Moyes got Everton to where they are by playing attacking football) it would be less of a gamble. Had he also competed at the very top too, it would have been even less of a risk.
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That is in part down to the players though? We're not really Barcelona, for a top team we're not a million miles away from Everton in style, we just have far better players. The board and SAF clearly feel that's the best way to proceed in future as well.
You could say that bringing in a manager to very much shake things up and employ a totally new style would be an even larger gamble, even if they have a record of winning things. That was always unlikely (even though I may not have been completely against it myself). I think Mourinho for example is someone who is capable of playing a variety of styles, but his club history has clearly put us off.
Anything is a gamble, we're replacing one of the greatest managers there has been, a man that built that club to what it is now.
Nothing is going to be 'safe' really is it, other than it staying in his hands.
Move on, ladies, put the handbags away.
Nothing is going to be 'safe' really is it, other than it staying in his hands.
Move on, ladies, put the handbags away.
Of course it's partly down to the players - players that Moyes has signed though. You have to remember that Moyes has been at Everton 10 years shaping a side and this is the side he's built. That's not a criticism of Moyes though. It's extremely difficult for sides with Everton's resources to build a side that can effectively play attacking football. It's far easier to make yourself different and play the percentages (ie if you're organised at the back you'll pick up enough points to finish x).
I disagree entirely that Everton play relatively similarly to Utd. Everton are a side that's built on being organised at the back and physical in attack (not quite Stoke physical).
I don't believe that you can be successful at the very top of the table playing that way. As per my edit above, had Moyes shown that he could play attacking football prior to joining Utd, it would be less of a risk. It's not as simple as being willing to change - you need to be able to do it effectively too.
So in that case, don't you agree that it's hardly a huge issue that his team don't play attacking football when you consider the budget he's had?
Okay, Wigan for example do play attacking football on a budget but at the cost of being poor defensively. It's better to have a strong defence as a foundation in Everton's position.
I wouldn't say they're very similar, no, but we've definitely more in common with Everton than some other teams.
But you have to be able to defend well at the top of the table as well? Just look at Mourinho's Chelsea, the team with the points record? Moyes can keep us solid while letting our quality forward players do their thing. Leaving the likes of Jelavic up front on his own is always going to make things difficult.
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It's not a huge issue at all. He's done a decent job at Everton but there's a big difference between doing a decent job at Everton and at Utd.
Had he got Everton where they are playing attacking football, it would be an even bigger achievement and it would be easier to see how he would adapt to managing Utd.
Of course you have to be able to defend too and that's what I was getting at when I mentioned being able to play attacking football effectively. Hodgson famously claimed that Liverpool's poor defensive record under him was because we were playing attacking football (which we weren't). He may have been more attacking than he was used to (yet still far more defensive than we were used to) but he couldn't do it effectively and as a result we were poorer at the back.
With the exception of the odd spell (start of this season for example), Utd have been decent at the back while still being able to play attacking football.
HAHAHAHHAHA
Are you not the same NickG that was banging on about how we didn't have a plan B and wanted us to sign Llorente?
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