Sir Alex Ferguson Retires
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It wont make a jot of difference. There are bigger changes this summer than 1 coach, how ever long he has been at the club.
Now the club can move forward with a whole new team around the new manager, and with what he has to live up to - his selection in this regard is imperative.
Good luck to all of them
Now the club can move forward with a whole new team around the new manager, and with what he has to live up to - his selection in this regard is imperative.
Good luck to all of them
Oh, yeah. You know, losing solid winning and experienced coaching staff means nothing at all.
Absolutely nothing at all.
Did I say that? I dont think I did. I dont think I said anything even remotely like that in fact.
In an ideal world Moyes (especially) would have came in and kept everyone but he hasn't but here's my problem how many people said anything about Phelan going? Was there really that much said about Steele going? But oh no wait not our beloved Rene Meulensteen
Seriously what has made people fall in love with guy when in fact no one, not me, not you Bucket, nor anyone else on this forum actually knows what he actually he did at the club.
It's seems to me suspiciously a lot like the Nickg syndrome of rating someone's ability based on what part of the world they're from, Meulensteen's from Holland so must be good, Phelen's only from Lancashire so what does he know the fat pleb :/
As far as I know Rene took the first team training sessions, he's also having a bromance with RvP.
I liked him, always talked about as a good coach, the worrying thing is who Moyes will bring in as coaching staff now he has got rid of the pretty much the entire team.
I liked him, always talked about as a good coach, the worrying thing is who Moyes will bring in as coaching staff now he has got rid of the pretty much the entire team.
I've got no idea how it works, his title was first team coach but there was an interview from Fergie right around the time of his retirement when he confirmed even now he still never missed a training session himself #shrug
Did I say that? I dont think I did. I dont think I said anything even remotely like that in fact.
In an ideal world Moyes (especially) would have came in and kept everyone but he hasn't but here's my problem how many people said anything about Phelan going? Was there really that much said about Steele going? But oh no wait not our beloved Rene Meulensteen
Seriously what has made people fall in love with guy when in fact no one, not me, not you Bucket, nor anyone else on this forum actually knows what he actually he did at the club.
It's seems to me suspiciously a lot like the Nickg syndrome of rating someone's ability based on what part of the world they're from, Meulensteen's from Holland so must be good, Phelen's only from Lancashire so what does he know the fat pleb :/
Ah right, nothing remotely like it, sure.
Steele was the more disappointing release of all, especially considering how publicised it was how much De Gea' improvement was owed to him for many reasons.
I don't care where players or staff are from at all, it makes no difference to me in the slightest. I do care when we appointed a manager for stability and that we didn't want much change, but we're now losing more staff quite frequently and people such as Scholes, Nicky Butt etc don't know if they are continuing on either as part of the coaching staff.
Keeping experienced heads and winners that know the players and the club is important. Having a largely new coaching staff that don't know the club at all isn't great.
Phelan going was more understandable, I can understand an assistant manager which works more closely with the manager being replaced.
Rene has been at the club for a long period of time having managed the youth set up and reserves, he understood the club and the way of which it is expected to run and would have been a great font of knowledge for Moyes to call on.
Whilst the whole Fergie turning up to training every day is true, it doesn't mean he took the sessions. That was Rene's job.
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All the experience and knowledge would have made the transition smoother and more stable, as the board said they wanted.
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I appreciate your sentiment and agree with it somewhat.
Look at it from Moyes' position though (or even any manager at a new club), they nearly always bring their own team in. If anything Moyes , coming after the most successful manager ever, has even more reason to do this.
Yes it is sad to see a team of (behind the scenes) winners disappear into blue yonder, but its just as disappointing to see Gill disappear and that has nothing to do with Moyes.
As soon as SAF announced his decision to step down, it was always likely that there would be this number of casualties along with the boss.
I still hope that Butt and Scholes (and Giggs when he stops playing) all stay on in couching capacities.
Of course, I understand both flip sides, I'm not mental. Just the whole dismissal that it doesn't mean much is silly.
With Gill also leaving that brings another air of new and possible slow to get going times, which is partly why the more staff that stayed then the better it may have been.
With Gill also leaving that brings another air of new and possible slow to get going times, which is partly why the more staff that stayed then the better it may have been.
And again I never even hinted as such, much like your reply to my comment on Thiago you're reading what you want to read. My only real problem with this entire subject has only ever been the favoritism people seem to have for Meulensteen for little or no reason (that I can see)
Certainly suggests it.
But nevermind, there's not much more point bothering with you, much like NickG as it's still like bashing myself over the head with a barbed stick and Andybtsn is about to be on the prowl to shut this thread down due it's fast becoming 'IT'S A CLUB THREAD' status.
RE: Thiago, it was the Friday that I read it all and it wasn't what you mentioned in the reply; I've just not been back at my computer much until and couldn't be arsed with it.
Also, there isn't any favouritism, if there was, it'd be towards Albert Morgan leaving!
No one knows what he did? He looked into oppositions and set out tactical outlays for how to best neutralize the opposition whilst giving us the best chance of playing our game. Given our success at that last season, I'd say he did a terrific job.
I think it's a terrible decision to get rid of one of the most highly respected tactical analysts in world football. I was all for getting rid of Phelan (I don't think he worked the players hard enough, nor demanded a higher level of fitness) but Rene will definitely be a miss. Thankfully for him he'll have no trouble getting a job elsewhere.
I thought it was well known that Fergie didn't take training? He may have been there but he's always had somebody to take the actual training sessions.
Yep. Ferguson was in every day to speak with the players and talk with the coaching staff. He stopped taking training several years back. Phelan would overlook the majority of the training. Rene would often join him, but the sessions were predominantly lead by Phelan for quite a while, and Queiroz before him (and Phelan and Queiroz)
SCHTEEEVEE!
Actually think Ferguson was active with Schteve on the training ground. Think Ferguson stopped taking lead on the training ground around 2003-2004? Can't quite remember, but know it's been quite a while now. Could have been longer.
Actually think Ferguson was active with Schteve on the training ground. Think Ferguson stopped taking lead on the training ground around 2003-2004? Can't quite remember, but know it's been quite a while now. Could have been longer.
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