Smokers

Kell_ee001 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:31

nero120 said:
Smokers take note: this is why no one respects you, because your addiction blinds you into not being able to have a reasonable conversation about your habit.

Non-smoker - respected.
Smoker - disrespected.

Does that sum it up?

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:32

Treefrog said:
Firstly, I personally don't feel that there's any justification for littering of any kind. Admittedly, I don't always put the remains of the rolly in a bin but on the plus side I hardly ever smoke while walking around (messes up the walking/breathing rhythm), so there's usually somewhere to dispose of it when I do have a smoke.

Thats cool then, as this is the thing I most dispise about smokers. If all smokers showed a certain about of regard/respect for the environment/society, then I would be half as vehemently against it.

I'm not sure I understand your comment that it "is important for smokers to realise that there is an inherent amount of disrespect that comes with being a smoker". It sounds more like a strong opinion from someone who is royally hacked off about something to do with smokers/smoking than a rational analysis - would you elaborate?

What i mean is, to be a smoker is to demand the right to smoke and disregard (for the most part) the people around them. I can fully accept that some smokers do exist that would light up anywhere with non smokers around them, but I would accept these in being in the overwhelming minority. Smoking is a practice that is accepted now as being quite offensive to people, yet most smokers are still clawing for the right to smoke regardless of the views of people around them - their view is "if you don't like it, go away, im not forcing you to breathe it in". This attitude I am totally against. For it is on the one who commits the act to take responsibility for its effects - it is unreasonable to tell non smokers to go away when there are smokers nearby, especially if they are all congregated around the entrances to public places.

Jacob334 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:33

How does smoking outside affect anyone? unless your standing right next to me and i blow it in your face, otherwise it just goes up

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:34

Kell_ee001 said:
Non-smoker - respected.
Smoker - disrespected.

Does that sum it up?

Respect is earned, so if someone is not smoking that doesnt automatically earn them respect. But, if a person is smoking and then throws their fag end on the floor you can get your ass that person gets disrespect, as it is what they have cleary shown to those around them.

Efour · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:34

If you dont like the smell or health risks of indirect smoking, stop breathing.

next topic

could you imagine a gay, ginger,fat, black,muslim, disabled smoker. Think of the stick he would get from OcUK.

Kell_ee001 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:35

nero120 said:
Respect is earned, so if someone is not smoking that doesnt automatically earn them respect. But, if a person is smoking and then throws their fag end on the floor you can get your ass that person gets disrespect, as it is what they have cleary shown to those around them.

Ok, but what about smokers who put their cigarette ends in ashtrays provided?

alexakasloth · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:37

Jacob334 said:
How does smoking outside affect anyone? unless your standing right next to me and i blow it in your face, otherwise it just goes up

Apart from the few feet of stench around you?

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:37

Jacob334 said:
How does smoking outside affect anyone? unless your standing right next to me and i blow it in your face, otherwise it just goes up

As I mentioned already - littering is the biggest one. Next time your out, look on the floor and count the litter. Then count how much of that litter is made up of fag butts. Then consider that you contribute to that, and what that makes of you as a citizen.

The thing about the actul smoke is that the smell does linger, even if the smoke itself doesnt. If a smoker is upwind then they can be 30+ metres away, the smell can still be heavily detected. Thus, you affect people even when you are gone. It is a significant effect.

kiwi · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:38

let's not forget until smoking is banned it is a legal activity. i can't speak for inconsiderate smokers but i will light up anywhere that is allowed and people don't complain. if people ask me to move, i move. if people tut and cough i stay put. just a simple case of manners and not having a superiority complex.

headworx · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:42

kiwi said:
let's not forget until smoking is banned it is a legal activity. i can't speak for inconsiderate smokers but i will light up anywhere that is allowed and people don't complain. if people ask me to move, i move. if people tut and cough i stay put. just a simple case of manners and not having a superiority complex.

This guy has it BANG on concideration and manners will win out always

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:42

Kell_ee001 said:
Ok, but what about smokers who put their cigarette ends in ashtrays provided?

In my view, that shows consideration but unfortunately is not an ideal solution. As I said already, they end up smouldering and stinking the place out far worse than the actual smokers do. Plus people congregate around them causing the lingering smoke to be much worse, plus they are usually put around entrances which creates annoyance when there are loads of people around and they are all trying to dodge the smokers to get in/out. Not really the fault of the smoker, but a bad solution on the part of the council.

Whichever way it is looked at, smokers who want to smoke in public demand that non smokers show more tolerance to smokers than vice versa, and I dont see how that is either fair or even in the interests of society?

Scam · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:42

My sister started smoking earlier this year. We were in town the other day and she bought some fags so i said "Still smoking then?" and she said "Yeah.. don't you know how hard it is to give up?". Needless to say i laughed in her face.

Of course i know how hard it is to give up smoking!! I've never smoked but it's not like it's a big secret is it? ..With the millions of ads, books etc.. about!! Fools, all of them!

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:43

kiwi said:
let's not forget until smoking is banned it is a legal activity. i can't speak for inconsiderate smokers but i will light up anywhere that is allowed and people don't complain. if people ask me to move, i move. if people tut and cough i stay put. just a simple case of manners and not having a superiority complex.

How about I ask you to never agin drop a fag butt on the floor? I trust that you manners will also win out on this one?

dod · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:47

nero120 said:
There is more fag buts on the street than any other kind of litter.

Possibly but I'd say it's pretty well matched by chewing gum which is a lot more difficult to remove and dispose of.
Ban kids on the street, only chew gum in your own home you scumbags.

Kell_ee001 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:48

nero120 said:
Whichever way it is looked at, smokers who want to smoke in public demand that non smokers show more tolerance to smokers than vice versa, and I dont see how that is either fair or even in the interests of society?

As I see it, it's a 50/50 thing.

Smokers want to be able to smoke in public and would be happy if places provided ashtrays away from shop entrances, which would please the non-smokers too.

Smokers want to be able to have a drink and a cigarette but are happy to stay in "smoking rooms" out of the way so people have a choice of smoking or non-smoking. Same goes for restaurants.

It's not a case that smokers demand more tolerance, it's that they don't want to be dictated to. Happy to find a compromise but that doesn't seem to be enough for some.

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:49

dod said:
Possibly but I'd say it's pretty well matched by chewing gum which is a lot more difficult to remove and dispose of.
Ban kids on the street, only chew gum in your own home you scumbags.

Littering is illegal, but out of any social group, it appears only smokers feel as though it is their right.

alexakasloth · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:52

nero120 said:
Then count how much of that litter is made up of fag butts.

But the homeless people pick them up.

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:52

Kell_ee001 said:
As I see it, it's a 50/50 thing.

Smokers want to be able to smoke in public and would be happy if places provided ashtrays away from shop entrances, which would please the non-smokers too.

Smokers want to be able to have a drink and a cigarette but are happy to stay in "smoking rooms" out of the way so people have a choice of smoking or non-smoking. Same goes for restaurants.

It's not a case that smokers demand more tolerance, it's that they don't want to be dictated to. Happy to find a compromise but that doesn't seem to be enough for some.

For me its more that if I show respect to you, I would expect no disrespect in turn. For the record, I dont agree with banning smoking in pubs - it is a private establishment and as such not public. The owner should be able to set the rules (within the bounds of law) and people who dont like smoking dont have to go in there. However, public areas are different and i do not see that non smokers should be told what they can and cant do in public, when it is smokers who are abusing the situation.

nero120 · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:53

$loth said:
But the homeless people pick them up.

Thats true. Maybe instead they could have a collection outside of tube stations and places like that. Those collections could then be given to the homeless to build their homes out of, or whatever they do with them.

Treefrog · 8 Sep 2006 at 13:53

nero120 said:
Thats cool then, as this is the thing I most despise about smokers. If all smokers showed a certain about of regard/respect for the environment/society, then I would be half as vehemently against it.

Ty

I don't feel I have the right to impose my views (or smoke) on others, but I do expect the same consideration in return.

nero120 said:
What I mean is, to be a smoker is to demand the right to smoke and disregard (for the most part) the people around them. I can fully accept that some smokers do exist that would light up anywhere with non smokers around them, but I would accept these in being in the overwhelming minority. Smoking is a practice that is accepted now as being quite offensive to people, yet most smokers are still clawing for the right to smoke regardless of the views of people around them - their view is "if you don't like it, go away, im not forcing you to breathe it in". This attitude I am totally against. For it is on the one who commits the act to take responsibility for its effects - it is unreasonable to tell non smokers to go away when there are smokers nearby, especially if they are all congregated around the entrances to public places.

That sounds very similar to my view on people who insist on playing "music" from their mobile on the bus, ignoring others' views and imposing it on them, so yes, I see where you're coming from. I dislike that attitude as well, every individual should accept responsibility for their actions.

Quick question: is it the smoke or the attitude that annoys you more?